2007-01-30, 05:20 | Link #181 | |
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First and foremost, the most important thing in training : repetition. The KB training doesn't only allow to try hundreds of time in parallel, it gives all the experience back to its user. Ie Naruto has effectivelly the memory and experience to have tried and executed Wind manipulation and his new jutsu thousands and thousands of times for years. Secondly what you say is true for people like Itachi. The KB training wouldn't have made him learn Fire manipulation faster simply because he got it right the very first try. But even for Itachi I doubt it would be true for any kind of jutsu no matter the difficulty, only an absolute genius wouldn't gain from this training. Someone like Sasuke who needed a few days to learn Lightning manipulation would get it right at most in a few minutes instead. But in the case of Naruto who's not a genius and "learn with his body" the advantage is tremendous. Remember also that you doesn't need to release all the clones : releasing the one clone who got it right give the information and experience to all the clones and Naruto at the same time. The training gives to Naruto the learning rate of an incredible genius, something that he wouldn't have otherwise. Hence why Naruto would never learn as fast naturally as with KB training. |
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2007-01-30, 05:22 | Link #182 | ||
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What Naruto tried to achieve couldn't be achieved by Yondaime, who is considered to belong to the set of the highest level geniuses. His genius didn't seem to help him a lot on that matter. At the beginning of that training method, the main advantage was mostly considered for the case of learning jutsus with the highest difficulty, for instance a jutsu that might have taken a few years to complete even for the highest level geniuses. So, if Itachi would require a few days to learn a jutsu, even for Naruto, a so-called non-genius, using Kage Bunshin would not be a must to learn that in a reasonable time. Considering that he finished Rasengan in a very short amount time, and Kage Bunshin in one night, if he has the ability to achieve it, he might achieve it in a similar time frame compared to the genius ones (like, days to days, months to months, years to years). Last edited by Sazelyt; 2007-01-30 at 05:35. |
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2007-01-30, 06:33 | Link #184 | |
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I don't buy the Naruto is Yondaime theory, but I really think Yondaime is closer from Naruto than the likes of Itachi or Kakashi. I think he is no genius, but an ordinary ninja who built his way to the top. |
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2007-01-30, 06:46 | Link #185 |
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What he has achieved at that young age with no known bloodline or demon supporting him tells that he is definitely not an ordinary ninja. And, considering how he is thought of by other considerably strong people, he deserves to be put next to that geniuses.
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2007-01-30, 11:10 | Link #186 | |
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2007-01-30, 11:22 | Link #187 | ||
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Naruto's strengths are Immense chakra capacity-which directly effects his stamina, and his akward imagination-which he uses to surprise his oponents. Quote:
1) Lee is a genius of hard work:meaning he can do it if it requres ludicrous effort or makes his life harder? 2) Sasuke and Neji are geniuses because of thier blood limit: I would imagine that you would have to suck to not be able to do regular abilities associatied with your blood limit. Sasuke and Neji are good cuz they learn those abilites faster than the Majority of their clan (itachi would be ultimate sharingan genius) 3) Sakura and Shikamaru are regular geniuses: They are just friggin smart. High IQ. Smart people can outsmart you. In the end, it's more effective than just foresight, or understanding alone. I didn't SPECIFICALLY metion Kakashi, Shino, Kabuto, Orochimaru, or any Akasuki, but they would still be Better than average. That would tecnically make them geniuses. This whole series is about what you can accomplish reguradless of Status (A.K.A) being a genius. Every conflict so far has been about that or some lonleyness crap. It doesn't really matter who's labled a genius, it's only another plot device. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Akatsuki's real pourpose was to 'exalt geniuses' above everyone else so that they get stronger/more power, and the weak are destroyed or something
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2007-01-30, 12:33 | Link #188 |
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-There is something that I do not understand. Naruto is utilizing the Kyuubi's chakra as of now correct? This is clearly evidenced in his eyes since they are slit. However, he is still capable of producing the Fuuton nature, something his own chakra has been recently been revealed to posses. However, the Kyuubi's chakra is different since it belongs to the kitsune himself rather than Naruto. Could this mean that Naruto has learned how to convert any chakra into the Fuuton Nature or are his own chakra and the chakra of the Kyuubi so intertwined that they share the same exact elemental properties?
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2007-01-30, 13:27 | Link #190 | |
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2007-01-30, 14:04 | Link #192 | |
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Nah, I think it is always hard to do it when your time is limited. Plus, him being a Hokage, I'm sure he would have a lot of chakra to spare, maybe. |
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2007-01-30, 14:48 | Link #194 |
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Hold it! Wasnt it...
Naruto used the Kyuubi chakra to create bodies (Kage Bunshin) and then with his own chakra (wind natured) using his Wind Rasengan? About Yondaime & Jiraiya: - I do think that the 4th was a genius...may things lead to it. - The fact that Jiraiya was a succesfull sensei (watching his student become a Hokage) could've ment that Jiraiya wanted to try it with a dropout this time. "It's not fun to teach someone who is already perfect" He wouldnt know if he didnt had experience with a genius student now would he? The techniques of the 4th (in my opinion) prove that he wasnt your ordinary shinobi.
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2007-01-30, 15:43 | Link #196 | |
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Form Kekkashi's flashback, the 4th was no dummy. He was everything that Naruto isn't. I don't know if he was a genius but he was no dummy either.
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2007-01-30, 16:25 | Link #198 | |
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The Kyubi's chakra passes by Naruto's heart and thus would takes its affinity. |
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2007-01-30, 16:34 | Link #200 | |
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He already have Wind so that leaves Water and Earth. Since Gaara has sand which is a type of Earth. I will go with Water. Which make sense since Wind > Lighting and Water > Fire. Naurto will be able to make a Mega Hurrican to drown a village. Naruto - Hurrican Chronicles
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