[Manga] Chapter 361 Discussion

[Sandaime78]

Originally Posted by haomaru

The main thing to remember here is that sasuke original intent is to be the genius rival, im not saying that naruto just willpowers his oponents to death, but he is simply unpredictable, he wins when all points to him losing and loses when all points to him winning, his criativity is something i have yet to see in any other characters, imo being able to improvise as the battle unfolds is just as important as having genius skills, if we take MS from the equation sasuke simply doesnt have to try much in order to obtain jutsus as for naruto he has to adapt what he learts to what he can do.

Unpredictability of Naruto has been shown several times through Naruto episodes in the past. Very first was his fight with Zabuza where he showed his nack of bringing up a strategy in the midst of a fight, which was quite something and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Another was his Chunnin exam fight with Nejii which was also impressive and all. Now, if you ask about the rest of his unpredictability... most are Kyubi-powered, uncontrollable-rage-driven, kagebunshin (quantity over quality tactic, fight with Kimimaro is a good example) tactic that is obviously getting too old now. He has massive amount of chakra because of Kyubi within him, and because he was fighting to withstand Kyubi's chakra all his life, he has a huge potential; however, Naruto was and still IS a emotional-driven goof off.

There was this element that Naruto used to have that I really liked, now.. I don't know why, and I cannot pinpoint what it is, but Naruto is losing some of his uniqueness. ugh...

[shaselai]

although earth is weak against lightning but Deidara's earth spells are/should be powerful enough to overcome the lightning weakness though shouldnt it? O well... sasuke's gotta win agiainst deidara somehow..... plus, when kakuzu was fighting against Kakashi, didnt he use an element attack that's strong against lightning and kakashi blocked it with a chidori? Or maybe kakuzu didnt///need to check again..

[XYKE]

HAHAHAHAHA who didnt see this one coming...

I ain't even gonna discuss this chapter or any upcoming ones untill Naruto makes an appearence again in his story

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Well it starting to annoy me that no one interferes with this fight.....not team Hebi, Konoha or the damn clown Tobi.

This really seems like the end for Deidara on a very stupid way.

Besides...we have no idea what affinity Itachi uses besides Fire..so dont think that Sasuke can beat Itachi because he can beat Deidara.

And frankly it annoys me that there isnt anything that Naruto knows that Sasuke doesnt. I was hoping that Sasuke wouldnt know about the affinity weaknesses.

Naruto learns this...Sasuke already knows...etc. etc. besides. Unless Sasuke starts to clean his blood paths his body will always remain filled with those defused bombs. He may get a bloodvirus eventually..

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

And frankly it annoys me that there isnt anything that Naruto knows that Sasuke doesnt. I was hoping that Sasuke wouldnt know about the affinity weaknesses.

Im really not surprised about this, Sasuke knew about Affinities since he was some 8 Years old, is logic to assume that if you know about affinities, you will also know about each element weakness..besides it seems he knew back then when he tried to destroy Hakus mirror with Fire...

[Freya]

Originally Posted by shaselai

although earth is weak against lightning but Deidara's earth spells are/should be powerful enough to overcome the lightning weakness though shouldnt it? O well... sasuke's gotta win agiainst deidara somehow..... plus, when kakuzu was fighting against Kakashi, didnt he use an element attack that's strong against lightning and kakashi blocked it with a chidori? Or maybe kakuzu didnt///need to check again..

Think he did. Plus Kakuzu and Hidan were probably alot stronger than Deidara in their own ways. So if Sasuke fought them instead then it be a COMPLETE different story. Plus Itachi is probably a million times stronger than Deidara. So this fight is nothing for Sasuke.

[Psychotic]

Ok so this is again all about elemental weaknesses against anothrer. That really pisses me off because Deidara is far more skilled shinobi that Sasugal but then again it turns to DBZ. My favourite Akatsuki member is really dying here because of these elemental things and it pisses me off. Mr. Obito plz do something

[Ori]

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

Spoiler:

From yasha at Narutofan

来週のヒントくれてやる
サスケ、雷切りで脱出
デイダラ勝利宣言後に殴られる（画バレ）
サスケ、グタグタ勝った理由をデイダラに語る（ちなみに最後まで続く）

土遁と雷遁の相性

Basically it says that Sasuke manages to escape by using raikiri. Deidara thinks he's the winner, but then he's badly hit as shown in the spoiler pic. Then Sasuke explains the reasons of his victory (?). The affinity between raiton and doton (?????). Dunno, it doesn't sound quite right to me.

Doesn't make any sense. Might have just been a fake to go with the spoiler pic.

Actually, that spoiler is true. The other spoilers posted in the first 2 pages are fake. Sasuke used lightnight attacks (chidori) to counter earth attack (c4).

Sasuke is actually smart in his counter. I don't get why you guys are complaining at all. He was even using scientific method to test out his theories.

AND Sasuke is pretty beaten up (so he does get hurt).

[Vicious108]

This elemental Pokemon crap is so lame, and here was I hoping Kishi would forget about that after the Kakuzu fight.

Oh well, it was still a pretty good fight I guess, and the finish is still up in the air, Sasuke is obviously gonna win, but Im still curious since I dont want Deidara to die just yet... hopefully Tobi will step in and save his ass.

But man, does Gaara look like crap now. ;_;

[DeDe]

Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

This elemental Pokemon crap is so lame, and here was I hoping Kishi would forget about that after the Kakuzu fight.

I was really hoping that too. This is the last thing the manga needs. My element can top your element...blah, blah, blah. It kills the fights. And Kishimoto still hasn't explained Yang & Yang chakra yet.

On the side text it says this battle was won because of those eyes. Kishi didn't even give credit to Sasuke's brain or skill. It was all about the Sharingan. Sharingan > Everything. It's getting boring. I hope we see Naruto and Hinata soon.

I guess Dei will go for a suicide attack next. As much as I love him, there is really nothing left for him now. We have seen his best attack and he was just humbled by another 15 year old from Konoha. Fits the pattern of the Akatsuki.

[7thFonon]

I thought it wasn't a good idea to add elements so late in the series. I mean really, shouldn't all this element stuff be tought back at the academy, and they are just now learning about it. Just someone please win this fight so we can get back to "Naruto".

[yungz21]

i think sasuke should have just used chidori nagashi instead of jolting himself from chidori and this also means he could have beat deidara from the beginning he just needed to make sure that his theory was right

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

This elemental Pokemon crap is so lame, and here was I hoping Kishi would forget about that after the Kakuzu fight.

Yeah, and you ever notice how the characters are always engaging in battles...just like in Pokemon!

Criticism is fine, but I think it's really unfair when people will compare a story to the most generic manga/anime they can think of based on trivial similarities. The story introduced an elemental ranking system, so it has to be Pokemon. Or everything's 'DBZ this' and 'DBZ that'. Geez. I can't wait for the Yu-gi-oh comparisons.

Originally Posted by DeDe

I was really hoping that too. This is the last thing the manga needs. My element can top your element...blah, blah, blah. It kills the fights. And Kishimoto still hasn't explained Yang & Yang chakra yet.

I think the way the elements came into play here was pretty good. It wasn't just about one attack overpowering another, there was strategy and planning in the way that it was used. Sasuke actually used chidori chakra on himself to rid his body of nano-bombs, which I thought was cool. Give me that over "Yarrgh! I'm going to clash my chidori with your rasengan for the 100th time!"anyday.

I think Kishi just used yin & yang jutsu to classify jutsu that don't fall into any obvious elemental category. I doubt it'll be explained in detail.

Originally Posted by Rurik

Im really not surprised about this, Sasuke knew about Affinities since he was some 8 Years old, is logic to assume that if you know about affinities, you will also know about each element weakness..besides it seems he knew back then when he tried to destroy Hakus mirror with Fire...

And he probably learned about Earth's weakness to Lightning while training to fight Gaara. Afterall, Kakashi taught him Chidori specifically to pierce Gaara's sand defense, Kakashi probably also explained the weakness of earth-based jutsu to lightning in general.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Yeah, and you ever notice how the characters all always engaging in battles...just like in Pokemon!

Actually I was kind of liking the cross reference there...were SAskue is better known as SAsukachu and Naruto the one that used wind..whoever that Pokemon was....Sasukachu I choose you and your broken Sharigan...

To keep this post sort of on topic and out of Hunter's spoon...I'll say that the depth in the elements give the Jutsu more complexion that they had before, so I think it is a plus in the Manga, I hardly see the real resemblance there is with Pokemon, Im sure there is a lot of Manga that had a similar approach on this.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Rurik

Actually I was kind of liking the cross reference there...were SAskue is better known as SAsukachu and Naruto the one that used wind..whoever that Pokemon was....Sasukachu I choose you and your broken Sharigan...

Sasuke does use lightning a lot these days (what happened to Katon?)

But if anyone compares Akatsuki to Team Rocket, I swear...

[Vicious108]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Yeah, and you ever notice how the characters are always engaging in battles...just like in Pokemon!

Criticism is fine, but I think it's really unfair when people will compare a story to the most generic manga/anime they can think of based on trivial similarities. The story introduced an elemental ranking system, so it has to be Pokemon. Or everything's 'DBZ this' and 'DBZ that'. Geez. I can't wait for the Yu-gi-oh comparisons.

You're missing the point. Me hating it has nothing to do with it being similar Pokemon... I just compared them because they are, in fact, similar, but that's not the reason why I dislike it. I hate the elemental system because I find it lame since it makes strategy parcially meaningless in a duel that can be decided by just "water > fire lol".

[SamuraiX]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Sasuke does use lightning a lot these days (what happened to Katon?)

But if anyone compares Akatsuki to Team Rocket, I swear...

Well how Akatsuki members keep dying its obvious to the Team Rocket cut ass every episode. I swear if Deidara says "We're Blasting off again" I would laugh so hard.

[yungz21]

I bet if naruto beat deidara over an elemental weakness everyone would be happy they are all biased towards sasuke when he does suttin great

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

You're missing the point. Me hating it has nothing to do with it being similar Pokemon... I just compared them because they are, in fact, similar, but that's not the reason why I dislike it. I hate the elemental system because I find it lame since it makes strategy parcially meaningless in a duel that can be decided by just "water > fire lol".

I can understand that. But it's always been there. Nidaime countered Sandaime's fire attack with water. Sasuke pierced Gaara's sand with lightning. Now that it's been officially defined though, many seem to dislike it. Ah well, it's just an opinion I suppose. However, not everyone uses elemental attacks. I don't think we'll have worry about all fights being decided by elemental affinity

Originally Posted by SamuraiX

Well how Akatsuki members keep dying its obvious to the Team Rocket cut ass every episode. I swear if Deidara says "We're Blasting off again" I would laugh so hard.

I suppose I was asking for that one.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

You're missing the point. Me hating it has nothing to do with it being similar Pokemon... I just compared them because they are, in fact, similar, but that's not the reason why I dislike it. I hate the elemental system because I find it lame since it makes strategy parcially meaningless in a duel that can be decided by just "water > fire lol".

I think is as Sabakyu said, not all of the fights are determined by this, in fact, this could be the real first time a fight is going to be decided by an element been stronger than another one. whereas the elements of Jutsus has been there since day one.

But really there is a lot of Manga that used element like this, even RPGs, so, why compared it to Pokemon? why not with the Final Fantasy series? or Flame of Recca? I bet you Hunter-san could say some other 20 Titles that you can compared it to when talking about elements.

Originally Posted by SamuraiX

I swear if Deidara says "We're Blasting off again" I would laugh so hard.

Now that would be really funny and proper for him!