2009-06-28, 19:47 | Link #2006 |
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But we can say too that Rosa wasn't on the chapel. I don't trust too much on that scene, specially because of everyone acknowledging Beatrice. At least the culprit and the six parents were there at the time of the murders and, as said before, the theory about a trap X wasn't denied with the red text. The culprit could've given the letter to Maria but with a fake key, then, after closing the chapel with the real key, delivered the real envelope + key to Maria.
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2009-06-28, 21:10 | Link #2007 | |||
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But the real point is this theory doesn't explain anything and it is unneeded. Even if you somehow manage to explain how the Killer wasn't in the same room, so what? What do you accomplish with that? This isn't your usual closed room with the key inside it.
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2009-06-28, 21:50 | Link #2008 |
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Just a note: if we assume that the adults were incapacitated some place other than the chapel and the culprit wanted to make it look like the murders occured inside, then I think they would be smart enough to cover them up with something. I have my doubts about the whole carrying the bodies thing, but the soaking clothes point is rather moot, imo.
P.S. Rephrased it so it makes some sense =p Last edited by Nih; 2009-07-20 at 15:25. Reason: less vague |
2009-06-28, 22:03 | Link #2009 | |
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Perhaps the entire stomachs were removed? We won't know until we get to see the manga/anime scene. And the point is that Lambda tried to do away with Trap theories by saying the killer was in the chapel. That doesn't do away with anything, it just says the killer was in the chapel when the others died. It could still have been a trap. And my point about maybe the different room of the chapel is that the victims might not even have realized who set off the trap, since they weren't in the exact same room. And Closed Rooms don't necessarily have to have a key in them. Often times it's just that it's locked, and can only be locked from the inside. John Dickson Carr's the Hollow Man for example, the murder happens in a room that somebody is observing, and they see the killer go in, but not out. All evidence showed that the only way the killer could have escaped was from the door. That makes it a closed room. |
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2009-06-28, 22:24 | Link #2010 |
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The point is... in the usual closed room shown in umineko, there is a dead body inside a room with the only key to the room inside it. This mean if you manage to explain how the killer could have killed the person from outside (or with a trap), you have solved the riddle.
But the chapel closed room is a completely different kind of closed room. Your theories should be aimed to solve the riddle, a theory that doesn't solve the riddle is pointless. And imagining a trap or a way for the killer to kill while being outside this room in this particular case do not solve this riddle. You still haven't explained how this was possible by human means with those.
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2009-06-28, 22:29 | Link #2011 |
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It's just that all the holes in Beato's red text have been exposed, so it's her move Which is why there's not much else to do now but nitpick details like this, since you could imagine a hundred ways the actual killings were carried out in with this little info.
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2009-06-28, 22:58 | Link #2014 |
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say by "the door was closed but not locked", do you mean to say that the door somehow prevented them from escaping without being locked? Or if the trap killed them before they could try escape, what's the relevance of the door being closed?
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