2012-01-16, 01:42 | Link #2001 | |
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2012-01-16, 01:50 | Link #2003 |
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Take it from me... it actually is. One becomes ever more focused on self and how self feels -- rather than consideration for that of another. Avoidance of relationships very much falls into that effect.
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2012-01-16, 13:23 | Link #2005 |
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This is complete nonsense.
Anyone of those men saying "2D>3D" would jump on the first real girl that showed some signs of willingness. To actually believe they would go for a sexless life out of their own choice is braindead stupid. What they really want to avoid is not sex, but the hassle that comes with a relationship. If there was sex without that, they would gladly take it over any moe. Incidently, this is the topic of many moe anime: The surprise girlfriend out of nowhere, the "forced" harem, the non existent effort for getting any girls interest into the male char (they are all childhood friends, bound to him by story, or deeply in love with him for no obvious reason). Never has the male lead to actually work for a girls attention, it is always out of fate, coincidence, or just forced by storywriting, that they swarm on him, rather than anyone else. There are social aspects at play here, but moe anime and otaku culture is the result of it, not the cause. |
2012-01-16, 14:41 | Link #2006 |
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Personally, I call this a "natural selection" moment.... all I have to do now is convince the women that harems mean less hassle for them as well
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2012-01-16, 19:51 | Link #2009 |
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Real hard to comment on as I haven't been there yet. What's more I don't see any commentary on this in formal Japanese news media that I read, is this commented on outside of the wide shows? (I really don't wanna watch wide shows)
And mystique is right, the BBC piece did seem like it was "managed" for a compelling narrative. I did read about this in college though, it just seems like a huge paradigm shift that's happening very slowly with a different texture. As far as women shaking off traditional gender norms. In highly patriarchal Japan, some blow back IS understandable. My sensei said Japan is like the West as far as women's lib/empowerment just about 30 years behind. Still from what I read it depends on age IMO. It seems like in Japan that if youre over 35, youre not marketable for dating. I know it's loosened somewhat but it's still there. Young guys see older guys out of luck and they'll probably get depressed and not try. Economic problems and issues are likely also to blame. Japanese economy is neutral and stuck for many reasons, leads to lots of uncertainty. However, I also think it's a low level rebelling of custom possibly. Take Herbrivore males, in America we see them as being "unnaturally sissy wimps" for rejecting romantic (and sexual) pursuits. I've read some commentary by Japanese Social scientists that in a way, some guys are just trying to get away from what their dads did. Marry quickly pop out a few kids and toil away mercilessly at a large corporation for life. Some saw that as a bad influence on their family life, some probably just have no interest in pursuing such a life style. The key is how long before this becomes so entrenched and noticable that the rulling classes do something very different. Given the average profile and especially age of the government and other influential parties, it may take a while. |
2012-01-16, 20:42 | Link #2010 | |
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Now I am not sure about J-Dramas as I don't watch them are they exported to other Asian countries often? |
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2012-01-16, 21:38 | Link #2011 | |
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I was also rather of the understanding that if you did find a partner, that they'd expect you to move there rather than to move to the US, UK, elsewhere with you? Or have I got it wrong?
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2012-01-16, 22:22 | Link #2013 | |
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I'd hardly be a fan of doing so however. On the immigration thing, it's historical. Japan was for centuries as closed country by policy. Plus look at places in Western Europe for example, they are having troubles grappling with immigration despite being more "cosmopolitan" than the Japanese by a mile. |
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2012-01-16, 23:09 | Link #2014 |
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It's almost a knee jerk reaction as a foreigner interested in their culture to feel negatively regarding their attitudes towards immigration. From an anthropological point of view, it is kind of nice that they are preserving their identity despite all the outside influences they take in as such a powerful economic world player. And if you study Japanese history, it's no surprise they maintain this balance better than some other places (which may become more 'westernized'). They've been doing it with China for hundreds of years.
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Now that being said, I do think that the rise of the herbivore male plays a role here. A man needs to reject - or at the very least arms length relationship with - machismo to embrace something as cutesy and "girly" (how often do people mistake moe for shoujo?) as moe culture.
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2012-01-17, 06:54 | Link #2020 | |
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China at birth: 1.133 male(s)/female under 15 years: 1.17 male(s)/female 15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female 65 years and over: 0.93 male(s)/female total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2011 est.) India at birth: 1.12 male(s)/female under 15 years: 1.13 male(s)/female 15-64 years: 1.07 male(s)/female 65 years and over: 0.91 male(s)/female total population: 1.08 male(s)/female (2011 est.) Source: CIA World Factbook In practice, a perfect ratio of 1 doesn't exist anywhere in the world. Why that is so is subject to debate and remains very much a mystery. |
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