2010-12-26, 01:21 | Link #20365 |
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I seriously doubt that Ryukishi07 would ever write a sci-fi murder mystery, but it would seriously bring a smile to my face. I saw Sunshine (2007) like a few months ago, and I thought something along those lines would totally work.
Spoiler for original story:
When astronauts cry: Uchyuuhikoushi no naku koro ni: 宇宙飛行士のなくころに Although astronauts are not animals (even though some in my story are treated as such), they can definitely fly. Spoiler for endroll:
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2010-12-26, 01:31 | Link #20366 |
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It's not that hard for me to beleive. Higurashi was totally Science fiction. At least everything Takano and Irie talked about was. And they even made fun of their brain parasites idea by saying it should be a science fiction novel.
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2010-12-26, 15:44 | Link #20369 |
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She didn't save anyone either.
And if it's true what you suggest, that Yasu knew the killer's plan and she decided to cover it, rather than preemptively inform the police, she's still a criminal... and an idiot.
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2010-12-26, 17:23 | Link #20370 | ||
The True Culprit
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But no seriously, I'm not implying Yasu's a Jesus metaphor, I'm just pointing out that she DOES have a martyr complex. Quote:
As for being an idiot...well, who isn't in Umineko, at this point? The entire plot relies on the Idiot Ball trope to ridiculous degrees no matter how you interpret anything. But it's perfectly human. That's just how people are.
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2010-12-26, 20:03 | Link #20373 |
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Prediction: R7's next work will be a romance written in When They Cry style. In which we find out fragments are actually Bern's savegames (she can't get any heroine because she can't make choices that understand their kokoro). The big twist will be, the main heroine is also the protagonist.
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2010-12-26, 22:25 | Link #20378 |
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It didn't really elaborate on that part. As far as I know that "interview" was never sourced so it could very well be bullshit from /jp/. Especially since a lot of what was said in it was stuff people had already guessed.
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2010-12-26, 23:38 | Link #20379 |
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I was showing Umineko to my cousin, so I recently reread the prologue with Kinzo drinking, Gengi, and Nanjo telling him to write a will. The scene got me thinking.
I'd have to go through the series and reread all the Kinzo scenes, so this isn't a theory, just an idea. But what is Kinzo is the true 'culprit'? I know this idea's been around for awhile, but why not reevaluate it under new information? What if Kinzo did create some kind of plan involving the murder of many people on the island? I think the idea of Kinzo being the culprit, and Beatrice being the cover for him, being very thematically satisfying. My main reason for this idea is how much Nanjo presses Kinzo to write a will, along with a will being mentioned many times throughout the question arcs. I know this could all be leading to him forgiving Beatrice, but the possibility exists that he did have other things he wanted to happen. This would certainly lead to an emulated Genji-culprit. This would also lead into a motive of loyalty to Kinzo, which is definitely much better than greed. To really know if this is realistic, we'd need to know why Genji is so loyal to Kinzo, which we are suspiciously missing any information on. I could certainly see Yasu 'let' Kinzo's will be carried out, possibly even cover for him. I could even envision a sort of scenario where the adults get set off and that's when Yasu/Kumasawa/Nanjo decide to go along with Kinzo's will. Though we know there's disagreements and such, as with Nanjo being killed in EP3. With this idea I'd see these kinds of factions: - Perpetuating the concept of Kinzo - Perpetuation the concept of Beatrice - Beatrice's Murder Mystery - Bribing Krauss - Kinzo's will And I could see all of these overlapping and trying to take advantage of each other. Maybe Kinzo's will supercedes or uses all of these, atleast in Genji's case. I don't really know where I'm going with this, but it's a thought. I realize the biggest problem with this idea is what exactly Kinzo was trying to do. But I thought it was a cool idea having the concept of Kinzo be the culprit, along with the concept of Beatrice protecting him.
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2010-12-26, 23:50 | Link #20380 |
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That's why I don't reread old episodes. They are made in a way to make you suspect the wrong guy.
There is an open conflict between what we have seen in EP7 and the theory of Kinzo as the mastermind which teased us throughout the core arcs. EP7 shows a Kinzo that is completely satisfied and has no longer any regret. It shows that he never had any intention to create the legend of a witch, he only wants to see her lover again. It shows that the new head is Yasu/Lion/Beatrice (whatever) and that Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa are all loyal to her. It shows that the events of 1986 are the results of Yasu's own game loosely based on Kinzo's. It reiterates and expands the concept that the tragedy wouldn't have happened if Battler didn't return. In addition, I don't really like the idea that Genji would become a mass murderer just because Kinzo ordered him to do it. I can't see any real reason for Kinzo wanting everyone to die two years after his own death. Even if Genji is that crazy he couldn't have done everything in his own and there's just no way Nanjo and Kumasawa would go with that plan.
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