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I don't care if I'm shot, poisoned, beaten with a hammer, or stabbed; all can kill me, the tool used doesn't matter and I'd rather be able to defend myself than be a victim. If you don't mind me asking, what's your country? I'd like to find its worldwide violent crime ranking. Quote:
Sumeragi, that is the standard in American journalism. FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, Time magazine, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the DailyKos, MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress,....all of them fudge data to fit their own agenda. You just have to wade through the eye-ball deep mass of crap to find the few gems that all of them occationally put out. Quote:
I like the whole Schofield line of break-open revolvers, they were very reliable, accurate, and rugged. Quote:
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I didn't know that. The Daewoo K2 is supposed to be quite the rifle from what I hear. Never fired one, but it gets rave reviews from people I know who've owned them before they were banned from import here in the US (can't get them anymore). Quote:
Cars are driven on the public road and thus government claims the right to demand you get insurance to use your vehicle on the public roads. Guns are not used like cars, thus they are the proverbial "apples and oranges" and do not require "insurance." Quote:
To bad for Krugman, and the gun-control crowd, that gun laws of this nature pre-date ALEC's existence by decades (ALEC was started in 1973). Many citizens want these laws for their own protection and thus groups like the NRA, GOA, and JPFO successfully push for them to pass. The problem is not with Florida's law, the problem is that the police didn't do their job and failed to enforce the law properly, thus things went awry. Quote:
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2012-03-26, 13:30 | Link #20522 | |
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2012-03-26, 13:41 | Link #20523 | |
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It took me several years to get off their rolls even though I stopped paying dues and wrote a letter. It took almost 10 years to get them to stop listing my father-in-law (life member) who had died long ago. I took that as them simply pumping up their supposed membership list but it also appears they want their shrieking little magazine to float all about like "Watchtower" and "Awake" pamphlets. Believe me, the NRA doesn't "represent" gun owners in the slightest, far from the majority of actual gun owners (and there are other more sane groups to belong to). The ALEC group, I view as a direct threat to the general citizenry of the United States - basically a corporatist (or more accurately, closet fascist) group.
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2012-03-26, 14:13 | Link #20524 | |
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Not all "stand-your-ground" laws are the same. Florida's seems especially badly written to me because it provides vague criteria for deciding when a person is threatened. I also object to the fact that it can exempt someone from prosecution rather than simply offering an affirmative defense at trial. If someone is shot, there needs to be an investigation and, if necessary, a criminal proceeding; simply wiping the slate clean after obtaining a statement from the shooter, as happened in Sanford, is totally unacceptable to me.
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2012-03-26, 15:05 | Link #20525 |
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Prostitution in Ontario, CA now conditionally legal.
http://www.canada.com/news/Some+anti...950/story.html Not too much of a concern, but it's a change. And from my perspective: for the better. They should bring it out of the dark and really dig deep into more criminal acts like child prostitution and forced prostitution. |
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2012-03-26, 16:29 | Link #20528 | |
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2012-03-26, 18:35 | Link #20530 |
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Microsoft Seizes ZeuS Servers in Anti-Botnet Rampage
"Microsoft continued its war on botnets last week with a raid that involved seizing
servers controlling millions of zombie computers caught in the spell of the ZeuS malware. Under a court order, Microsoft employees, accompanied by agents from the U.S. Marshals Service, raided two web hosting companies in Pennsylvania and Illinois on Friday, disabling web servers used as command-and-control centers for the botnets and seizing some 800 web addresses that allowed cybercriminals to infect computers in order to steal banking credentials and siphon money from victims’ accounts." See: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...tnet-takedown/ |
2012-03-26, 19:32 | Link #20531 | |
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2012-03-26, 19:46 | Link #20532 | |
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2012-03-26, 19:52 | Link #20533 | |||||
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Emotions were high back then due to Columbine, but the law was a good one since it allowed people to voluntarily use the CBI background check services to sell guns and simultaneously protect themselves from liability should that gun(s) end up being used in a crime later. Quote:
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The reason for that is the hostility to gun ownership in the media, and Washington. The hoplophobia of some politicians, celebrities, and media pundits has created an environment where ALL proposals for gun safety and better enforcement of gun laws are viewed as "infringement." Quote:
The problem is, ALEC wouldn't get anywhere if it weren't for the ridiculous gun laws, and gun-control bills, being passed and proposed since the GCA of 1968. Pissing on people's rights is the surest way to drive them into the arms of extremists. Quote:
Some are far to strict to be effective, and others are quite good. However, unless the police and DA are total idiots, it should be clear what constitutes self-defense and what does not. The Florida law is fine IMO, and really it is only the hoplophobic types that are blaming the law itself. Like I've said this whole time, we need to wait and see what the Grand Jury, and FBI discover in their investigation before we start pointing fingers and accusing people of murder. My opinion is that Zimmerman violated the "Stand-Your-Ground" law by chasing after Treyvon and the cops should have arrested him on the spot. The Flordia law does not allow you to hunt someone down and shoot them. You are only protected in that law if you are in mortal danger. As far as I can tell by the evidence thus far, Zimmerman put himself into harms way and thus should not be eligible for protection under the Florida law. Hopefully the Florida attorney general will see it this way and the Grand Jury will indict Zimmerman on charges of at least involuntary manslaughter, or higher. Taking away this guy's right to keep and bear via a felony is a must IMO. Normally I wouldn't say that about anyone, but from what I read in the police report and heard on the 911 tapes, this one individual needs to lose this right. He has proven he is irresponsible with it in my humble opinion.
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FRESH NEW REVELATIONS out of Sanford, Fla. today...
Serious school infractions, facebook/twitter profile should add a bit more 'character' to Treyvawn's squeaky-clean image that the media is currently portraying... http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...t-trayvon.html http://slumz.boxden.com/f5/mar-26-tr...-here-1725679/ http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/th...artins-tweets/ Some in the media biz (and millions of Americans) are wary of the direction of this local-matter-turned-undeservedly-national, is going... http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...180103647.html Quote:
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Yes, anything can kill, including a pen or a piece of wood. That's NOT the issue here. Simply, guns can kill more, easily. Guns don't kill people? No s#!t Sharlock, we all know that. The logic is very simple. Guns are effective at killing. Guns make higher casualty count easier. When someone snaps with a knife, and when someone snaps with a gun, the outcome is very different in sheer casualty count. No one is saying it's the cause of the crime, so please, stop with your BS strawman and derailing of the problem you've been doing so frequently recently. People on that side of this topic ALWAYS twist the argument to direction it has nothing to do with. Might find a cozy job at FOX. You can find out where I'm from by lurking in Asuki, or a quick search. To be clear, I'm not entirely against guns. Look at Canada, they do fine with craptons of guns around. However, the fact is, guns bring the damage higher. This is unavoidable due to the nature of the weapon's effectiveness.
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Actually, where Aohige is from (if I remember correctly), casualty counts are done with cars, trucks (driving through crowds), or knives (moving quickly through a crowd), or gas (crazy cult in a subway station).
There's no really disputing that a gun can produce more casualties than most other weapons. The philosophical dilemma is how to permit people the ability to defend themselves because its a simple fact the police do not protect or deter, they clean up and arrest afterward. My 100 pound wife knows some nasty martial tactics her dad taught her... but once the perp is that close it is probably going to go badly for her. A firearm means she has the chance to keep them at a distance (she is a trained marksman). Where we live, the best response time from police is about 20 minutes - totally useless for any preventative action. It isn't much better in the urban district (10 minutes). OTOH.... the US lets people buy guns without requiring any training at all or having them be part of an citizen's civil defense organization. That *is* stupid... but it used to be that you could depend on parents to teach their kids proper gun safety and use. We have a huge pack of people here now that have not been taught many things for a couple of generations -- much less about firearms :P
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It's far too late for US to actually reduce guns, it's already out there.
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The largest mass murder in recent history was done with poisoned kool aid and was known as the Jonestown massacre. Try killing 909 people with a gun, you won't get very far before the cops fill you full of lead. Quote:
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2012-03-27, 02:10 | Link #20540 |
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Here is what a relevant statistic look like:
Around 65% of murder victims are killed by guns. Why is there even a debate that gun is the murder weapon of choice in US? Sharp objects are a distant second and poison does not even have its own category. |
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