2010-06-12, 19:32 | Link #2042 |
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Wonder if there were any matchstick puzzles in Maria's little book. Those things are the height of groaner solutions. Mostly because solutions depend on breaking (or in one case I loved, lighting) the matches.
There are still a few good ones where you can't break or ignite them, like the one where you have three matchsticks and need to move two to make six.
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2010-06-12, 19:54 | Link #2043 | |
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2010-06-12, 20:03 | Link #2044 |
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That's not the kind of riddle that I favor. One could say that this solution is as good as:
* Since nothing at all is specified about what "make six" means, and you need to come up with the idea by yourself, then "making six segments from a common center" should be as good as "making the roman number six".
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2010-06-13, 01:33 | Link #2045 | |
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六 which is the Kanji for six. Just have the top stick overlap the bottom two and it could easily resemble it. |
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2010-06-16, 23:42 | Link #2046 |
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Entertaining a little pet theory here...
No corpses have appeared that do not belong to introduced characters. Beatrice-2 was introduced in EP3. Beatrice-2 is confirmed to have died before the opening of the games. Therefore, it is permitted for Beatrice's corpse to have appeared at any time in all games. Beatrice is hinted to be the child of Kinzo, and could have inherited his rare polydactyly. Unlike Kinzo's corpse, there is a reason for someone (Kinzo) to keep Beatrice's corpse around on the island for a long period of time. Due to burn damage, the gender and time of death of "Kinzo's" corpse has never been determined. I think you can see where I'm going with this. There are, however, two obstacles. EP1: The identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed. Does this corpse count as unidentified when half the survivors know for certain who it is? EP6: I acknowledge that all other people are in the cousins’ room. Erika said that "since Kinzo is confirmed not to exist, please exclude him." Beatrice-2 is confirmed not to exist. Is she excluded too? Are there other ways for the corpse to avoid being located?
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2010-06-17, 00:31 | Link #2047 | |
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2010-06-17, 00:35 | Link #2048 | |
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Furudo Erika has no influence in the games before now. ...and she probably doesn't exist in Chiru either. |
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2010-06-17, 00:37 | Link #2049 | |
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Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now. She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them. Now can her corpse influence the beato's games if we interpet the red as saying a living Erika influencing the games? Maybe, but I don't think it's very likely.
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2010-06-17, 00:40 | Link #2050 | |
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(although, I've stated several times I don't believe Erika is a physical person on the island even during Episodes 5 and 6, and I really don't see how anyone who's read her TIP in 6, or read Chapter 18 of Episode 6, can really substantiate her existence...) |
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2010-06-17, 00:49 | Link #2052 | |
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Then again, we aren't totally sure what Battler actually acknowledges there.
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2010-06-17, 00:50 | Link #2053 | |
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2010-06-17, 00:56 | Link #2054 | |
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2010-06-17, 01:02 | Link #2055 | |
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2010-06-17, 10:02 | Link #2056 | |
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My interpretation is that you don't need anything from Episode 5 onward to solve everything from Episodes 1-4, it only helps. Extra hints, if you will. Ryuukishi said that if you completely understood Episodes 1-4 when Episode 5 came out, you would be able to predict the procession of murders or faked murders after Hideyoshi. And I think he said something similar about Episode 6. Now I undestand this doesn't absolutely indicate that predicting death order means completely understanding the Episode, but to me it at least gives some heavy support for the concept. I understand Umineko like this: once you grasp completely the logic of Episode 1-4, you can proceed through Episodes 5 and 6, and following Episodes, completely understanding everything. What's happening during fantasy scenes, what certain impossibilites represent, and how the murder or fake murder happen. Then again, that is my interpretation. |
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2010-06-17, 11:12 | Link #2057 |
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We're also assuming Furudo Erika has a corpse that ever exists on Rokkenjima. She may well exist as a character without ever producing a body. If no such person ever existed, or a Furudo Erika did exist but she's at the bottom of the ocean somewhere ever since she drowned, there's not only nothing to use in the episodes where she didn't exist, there's nothing to use in the ones where she did. The mere fact that Erika Doesn't Exist is possible means we can't even be sure there is a corpse.
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2010-06-17, 11:33 | Link #2058 | |
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2010-06-17, 12:32 | Link #2059 | |
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There's plenty of those reds, the most notable is:
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Therefore it's a lot harder to explain that "actual person" if the "Erika" in the game is not Erika Furudo. However at this point there is really nothing that you can do with reds, you just need to come up with a ridiculous loophole to get around them and it's done. Regardless of your favored theory there doesn't seem to be any way to avoid a ridiculous loophole.
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2010-06-17, 13:02 | Link #2060 | |
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There has to be a loophole, as Jan-Poo said. Something has to give somewhere for anything to remain internally consistent. There will be an "unfair" twisting of the red. There's no other means of reconciliation.
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