2009-09-07, 07:05 | Link #2061 | |
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Because in that case you'd also have Ange, Maria's father, Asumu and Kinzo's wife in the equation.
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2009-09-07, 10:05 | Link #2062 | |
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Since the stakes declared in red: 「*譲治は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<アスモ 「*朱志香は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<ベルゼ 「*真里亞は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<マモン 「*楼座は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<ベルフェ 「*源次は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<サタン 「*蔵臼は死後、遺体は一切、移動されていない!*」 ;<レヴィア 「*よって、遺体発見後に遺体が消失することはありえないッ!! 貴様の推理、遺体は金蔵が運び出したは、破綻する!*」 ;<ルシファ Automatically, you can conclude they were not dead. And it was already stated there was not 'dolls' or fake corpses.
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2009-09-07, 10:45 | Link #2063 |
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Ah I forgot about that part XD
But if you can question what we have seen about the state of the corpses, nanjo's "autopsy" and all, then you could also question that the bodies didn't disappear at all. So how do you know which one is the fake scene?
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2009-09-14, 08:24 | Link #2064 |
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Well I want to know something.. Is Bernkastel actually Rika? because in higurashi naku koro ni Rei Rika said in ep04 that "it is a time for me to give up being a witch... I must Return to being Furude Rika, rather then the witch Bernkastel" and if this is real then is Bernkastel who is in umineko no naku koro ni are past of Furude Rika or is she after the incident of Higurashi no naku koro ni? iam thinking that Bernkastel in umineko no naku koro ni is the past of Rika Furude in Higurashi no naku koro ni
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2009-09-14, 09:49 | Link #2065 | |
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Higurashi's Rika and Umineko's Bernkastel are different. For a detailed answer there are many theories, but read section 4 of the following page for the best theory so far: http://animehistory.wordpress.com/20...ndom-comments/ |
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2009-09-15, 00:12 | Link #2066 | |
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2009-09-15, 00:21 | Link #2067 |
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OMG! I never knew this famous character of a mystery TV series had a middle name!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Fletcher This settles it! Jessica = Beatrice!!!!!!!
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2009-09-15, 07:53 | Link #2068 |
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She was my favorite detective when I was a child!!! (and yay she is currently airing in germany again) but OMG! Her middle name is Beatrice?!? So shocking!!!
Jessica=Beatrice it was meant from the beginning xDD Being a tad more serious In Ep 1 VN does Kumasawa see how Kanon pulls out the stake himself? I'm not sure but I think she doesn't, but in the manga she does. Could that be the hint Ryukishi meant? (if she didn't saw it in the VN) Cause seeing him pulling it out means that he in any case was wounded. (it was often theorizied that he just faked)
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2009-09-15, 18:10 | Link #2071 | |
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2009-09-16, 13:59 | Link #2074 |
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In theory yes, but what if people "mentioned" at the start are still viable culprits?
This would include Asumu Ange (yeah ok just for the sake of completeness XD) Manon Runon Kawabata (although he wasn't named back then) Beatrice (as a real person)
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2009-09-16, 16:01 | Link #2075 |
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I would be willing to be generous and say anyone introduced in the first four episodes is a viable culprit, although of course there are degrees to which they'd be acceptable choices (one of the 18 = very good, someone only mentioned in ep1 = so-so, someone from ep4-1998 or only mentioned in ep2-4 = kinda bad). My interpretation of the rule is something more along the lines of "Oh by the way, here's the killer." A person who is just quickly introduced and outed as the criminal.
Obviously, the killer can be staggered in introduction as the entire cast isn't revealed immediately (if it were, the first person we see would be the killer or something); the initial 18 people don't all get introduced until a third or so of the way through ep1, but obviously any one of them would be a perfectly acceptable selection. I can't see one or more of the 18 (well, 17) not being ultimately the mastermind(s)/killer(s). It simply wouldn't be a very good revelation any other way. There's no way ryukishi would sacrifice the dramatic impact of revealing someone important as a villain by picking someone like Asumu or Kinzo's wife or Kawabata or another servant, people whose existence is somewhat important but who have had no presence in the story whatsoever (except in Kawabata's case, but his presence is incredibly minor). We have to actually care about the killers' identities and motivations when they come to light. So even more than just not violating Knox, the story is bound to select an important character just so that the whole thing makes any sense as a story. |
2009-09-16, 16:32 | Link #2076 |
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I agree that right now one of the 17 is a lot more probable than anyone else.
But frankly, Battler was the detective on the first 4 episodes so he's also ruled out by the knox rules. And if you removed Maria who isn't realistically capable of performing a crime, you get to 15. 12 if you think genji kumasawa and nanjo aren't the culprits in any game. Anyway even if it's just for one game you still have one of the remaining 12 as a necessary serial murderer. Unless there was never a killer at all...
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2009-09-16, 17:01 | Link #2078 |
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the definitions of "died" and "killed" were never questioned. Although in ep5 the times of death have been questioned. Which means "even if you said they died, you didn't say when".
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2009-09-16, 17:36 | Link #2080 |
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I was thinking about the epitaph as well maybe when it says separate the two who are close....I'm thinking it's a door or seal of some sort. And when they say At the first twilight, you shall lift up as sacrifice the six chosen by the key, maybe they mean certain locks or toggles? and At the second twilight, those who remain shall tear apart the two who are close, hence the door thing. Just a train of thought I was having while looking at the epitaph....
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