2010-06-12, 20:38 | Link #2063 | |
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For one, I never said that Sakura had any serious problems post HF, I merely said I don't think it was healthy for her to start having a relationship with Shirou without working through her problems first, that's all. As I said earlier, I have no problem with Sakura, or her relationship with Shirou. I won't deny that it's my least favourite pairing out of all possible F/SN pairings, but that's my personal opinion because it doesn't interest me at all. I'm certainly not bashing their relationship and I wonder why you insist that I am even though I've repeatedly said that I'm not. |
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2010-06-12, 21:58 | Link #2064 |
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Finally managed to get my version of the game playing right, and damn is it addicting as hell. I'm still on the Fate route, but I'm up to the skyscraper scene with Rider and Shinji. I have to admit I'm enjoying it a lot so far; there's a bit more Saber/Shirou development than there was in the anime, and Shirou as a character gets expanded on a little more in the game. Always fun to see his inner thoughts, especially when Rin or Taiga's around.
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2010-06-13, 16:05 | Link #2065 | ||||||||||||||||
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The point is that Sakura will become less dependant on Shirou as she gets used to having the freedom to be more than just Zouken's puppet. The game proves this (she becomes captain of the Archery club, for example), and HA proves it even more so. But, for her to do that, she first needs Shirou to be there for her. Him rejecting her on the grounds that she was too dependant on him would have hurt her severely. On the other hand, him being there to give her the emotional support and love she needs allows her to develop emotionally and to become a more normal person. Quote:
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2010-06-13, 21:40 | Link #2066 | |||||||||||||||
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Also I never said that he shouldn't have a relationship with her, just that they probably shouldn't rush into a romantic one. Patience is a virtue, and he can help her without being in a romantic relationship. Quote:
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It's funny. I merely make 1 or 2 statements about Sakura putting a relationship on hold and I hear how I'm bashing her, and pulling things out of my ass, yet you do the same with Rin. Quote:
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Will you please not put words in my mouth? I never said that they're relationship can't work, just that it might be better for them to work out their problems before getting into a relationship. And I certainly never said that they're foolish for getting into one. Just to say it again, I don't hate Sakura nor do I bash her. I'm not even really interested in her at all as a a character. Also, please don't ignore what people say or put words in their mouth just so you can declare that they're bashing your favourite character. |
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If she lives her live in fear of her problems, and avoids getting into relationships with people in case she comes to depend too much on them then she'll never get better. By living with him and being in a relationship where they care for each other and mutually love each other, she has that support there. She knows that, no matter what, he will be there for her, and his love will allow her to grow and make other friends, so she no longer needs to depend totally on him. But, she needs him by her side to help her gain the confidence to do that. For him to basically turn round to her and say "well, you're too broken for me to get into a relationship with you" would destroy her self-confidence and make her much worse. Quote:
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Rin can make him like himself by being there for him and helping him, same as Sakura. You don't need to be the same as someone or have undergone the same trauma to do that. it's helpful, but isn't 100% necessary. And Shirou, (if you played UBW you would realize) isn't going to be bullied by Rin that much. Really, you accuse me of bashing Shirou/Sakura because I offered an opinion about their relationship. So what are you doing her then? Quote:
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And seriously, why would I bash it. As I said before, I hate bashing, don't like it. And even if I did bash thins, Shirou/Sakura doesn't interest me enough to do that. I really have barely any interest in their relationship. Also, do you call this bashing? You must never have met people that really hate Sakura then. |
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2010-06-16, 13:37 | Link #2070 |
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Help please...
I have searched the whole net and i can't find/understand/remember some parts especially in the heavens feel plot(since i have finished the visual for about 2 years).
1)In the third part as we all know Shirou decides to abandon his ideals of becoming a super hero and save Sakura.That decision i think that it should affect whether Shirou becomes a heroic spirit or not(something that Archer did not want for Shirou in ubw).So,since Shirou has changed his ideals why Archer even exists as a heroic spirit?That was the whole part in ubw,Archer wanted to murder Shirou so as not to regret becoming a heroic spirit. 2)kotomine kirei.He has been already dead in the previous War when he was shot by Kiritsugu, but the power of the tainted Holy Grail entered him through his Servant, and came back with a fake black heart.what happened? 3)Was Ilya's body supposed to be used as the vessel for the Grail at the 4th grail war?(the one war where kiritsugu destroyed the grail).If so,when kiritsugu destroyed the grail he even prolonged Ilya's life(Ilya is older than shirou and a homonculous).Then why is she mad against kiritsugu?Where was she during the 4th grail war when kiritsugu destroyed the grail,shot kotomine and part of the content of the grail splashed on him? 4)What exactly did Matou Zoken with his mother worm inside Sakura's body?I know that he had put the vessel of a holy grail war inside Sakura's body into a form of a worm(i believe it was the third Grail War since Ilya was alive at the fourth Grail War and Kiritsugu would have done something for this).So.how the hell should the content of the Grail(Angra Manyou) should pass inside Sakura's body since he put the vessel?I'am starting to wonder why Sakura didn't awaken in the first two parts by this worm.Was it something Zoken did?I can't remember...Why did Zoken wanted to take over Sakura's body when the evil existence was born.What did he want to achieve? |
2010-06-16, 13:41 | Link #2071 | |
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2010-06-16, 13:57 | Link #2072 | ||
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1) He betrayed the Einzbern's wishes of winning the Grail for them 2) He's her father and he died before she got to know him better plus he spent the last of his days with Shiro instead of her. Maybe she got jealous about that but has a sort of envy for Shiro. Hence why she likes mainly Shiro. |
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2010-06-16, 14:40 | Link #2073 | |
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Sakura didn't awaken because both the influence of the Grail and Zouken's attempts to break her will wasn't enough. No matter what he did Sakura had no intention to fight neither an urge to give in to the darkness. In HF Zouken plans a huge Xanatus Roulette to put Sakura under a huge emotional stress to accomplish it. Zouken's intention was to hijack the Holy Grail Wars and access the Grail in his own way. He wanted to turn immortal though his original intention was much more noble(which he forgot due to the intense pain coming with his pseudo-immortal body and the insanity where he started to succumb to). That's about it. I hope it helps. |
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2010-07-05, 15:53 | Link #2079 |
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Inevitably drawing closer to the Heaven's Feel route, but in no way at all am I looking forward to it. I'm kind of stalling by replaying through Unlimited Blade Works to get the Good End for the route, since I got the True End on my first play through. Hopefully I'll make the right choices to get to it.
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2010-07-05, 16:36 | Link #2080 | ||
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It's the best route of the lot, in my view (and the view of many others). Just because some people don't like it, that doesn't mean you won't. It's simply impossible to determine what you'll think of Sakura and HF before you play it, because everything that you think you know about her will just evaporate by the half-way point. For instance, I couldn't give a crap about her until I did, and now she's by far my favourite character. Quote:
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