2011-01-01, 07:56 | Link #21021 |
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I asked around, and it seems that, no, we don't get much new information about Shkanon, Yasu, or anything really.
The problem is, it's not like we didn't think. We thought for almost half a decade. There were several people here, a lot more intelligent and diligent than me, who carefully thought about this mystery for years. And by the end, us amateur detectives found many answers that were plausible, and yet not. So instead of rewarding our efforts and telling us, once and for all, the answer, he goes "the cake was a lie" and gives us an ambiguous "solution" in EP7. It's not like a mystery novel is a "riddle"; something that has one definite solution. Yes, you can speculate, and in many cases even get very close to the author's answer, but in the end, unless the mystery is completely trivial, there are infinite possible solutions. This is true, no matter how intelligent you are. This is why we need, and trust the author of a mystery to, by the end of his story, tell us his truth. In the end, what did we really learn about the truth of those days? It's an unsatisfying mystery, with unsatisfying culprits and a horrible, horrible motive, that received enough ornamentation to actually make it seem worthwhile. It's a pretty-looking cake made of horse dung, and we all got Battler'd. And you know what? That's not all. It's not like this was his only way out. There were so many ways he could've written EP8 better. It makes almost anything we've learned in EPs 1-7 worthless (EP7 was the biggest troll by far). But I digress. I haven't read the complete episode yet, and, should I find the willpower to do so, it might change my opinion depending on how well these things are portrayed. If it really is so dissatisfying, in the far future, I think I might just try writing my own "EP8". Last edited by witchfan; 2011-01-03 at 09:15. |
2011-01-01, 08:00 | Link #21022 | |
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But I deeply believe that Umineko is going to be the most Broken Base of recent years. |
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2011-01-01, 08:02 | Link #21023 |
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I got the same answer from about 8 people who claim to have read it (I read the prologue and some more, too, and it went exactly according to the spoilers). Two of them even said they looked at the script. So while there's a chance I was trolled (it was /jp/, after all), I'm not quite certain. I really, really hope I was, though, and that I'm just overreacting.
Edit: Spoiler for Trick ending:
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2011-01-01, 08:08 | Link #21024 |
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Well said Witchfan, RK07 doesn't know what foreshadowing is. He makes tons of them but they act like back doors he could use to alter the story if he wants. By the end all of the herrings need to be explained, thats what makes them herrings instead of back doors. Its the trust you have with the author that you know that they will be locked and that only one possible truth will remain.
RK took the easy way out, he explained some of them, the ones he could. Then decided to tell you that all the doors are locked when you could still see a lot of them wide open. You could tell him that "hey some doors are still open" he'll just answer "No there aren't, in fact there weren't any doors to begin with" e- I've looked at the code, I really cant see anything that points to an alternate ending right now. The most I can see is possibility of a patch that gives more quizzes to bring the number of coins up to the theoretical maximum written of 30 coins. |
2011-01-01, 12:45 | Link #21027 | |
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(Has <u>The Four False Weapons</u> by John Dickson Carr been translated into Japanese? If so, could somebody sent the quote I gave here to RK7?)
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2011-01-01, 14:09 | Link #21030 |
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Wait a minute...
OBJECTION!!! *slams hands on table before pointing at Ryukishi* How can it be that Yasu wrote the message bottles if she wasn't part of the murder plot?! There was no time during the conference to write them, so she would have had to know about the plot beforehand, yet based on Battler's recollection of Rokkenjima Prime, she did not!! Also, how could Battler get out-of-character info if he didn't even remember who he was?! |
2011-01-01, 14:17 | Link #21031 | |
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Spoiler for Spoilers for how good it is:
Also I'd like to express my feelings of sympathy towards Witch Hunt. Episode 8 will be a pain to translate. |
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2011-01-01, 14:31 | Link #21032 | |
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Touya got a flash back of the rokkenjima incident when he asked Yashirou what she was reading at the net. |
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2011-01-01, 14:34 | Link #21033 | ||
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I'm almost certain all Carr novels are available in Japanese, but I could be wrong. I feel tempted to send that quotation to Ryuukishi as well. |
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2011-01-01, 14:49 | Link #21034 |
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Hey guys...
Remember those official EP 8 screenshots? The ones that we found when the name for EP 8 was discovered? Yeah... Spoiler for EP 8/Tsubasa Official Screenshots:
I heard these were supposed to be for Tsubasa...but that Zepar/Furfur one in the corner.... As you can see, there are choices. But why in the world would there be choices in Tsubasa? That's right...because there aren't And if this is in EP 8...why haven't I heard anything about this from people who have played EP 8? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this
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2011-01-01, 14:50 | Link #21036 | |
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And I hear it will be... difficult... to translate, with all of the you-know-whats scattered within. But good luck, Witch-Hunt |
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2011-01-01, 15:33 | Link #21037 |
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That ending isn't even that terrible by itself. It's actually pretty well executed and the very final scene is quite touching. If it was the end of one of the episodes it would be good. But as the final ending to the whole series it's terrible.
And what's pissing me off is how easy it could have been improved. Just a short scene at the very end hinting that maybe it's just one of possible ends, that kakeras may exist in Umineko too, that maybe all we saw really happened and there is a chance that good end exist somewhere in the sea of fragments. But there supposedly is Rei on the way so who knows. |
2011-01-01, 16:15 | Link #21038 |
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It's more and more confusing.
Well, I think I'll ask this straight: is it an Evangelion ending (intellectual and without any answers to the mysteries of the series) ? Is there at least a few answers about who is the murderer and why he did all these murders (and maybe, maybe, about how he performed them) ? I mean, I appreciate when there are different ways to understand a story but... Umineko was a detective novel to begin with, and now it seems that "no, it's not a detective novel in fact". The main interest in the series was to understand how supernatural murders could have been performed by human means and therefore to understand who could have performed all of them. Do you mean the ending has nothing to do with all that ? |
2011-01-01, 16:21 | Link #21039 |
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It's a little of both. Technically, the biggest question got answered: we know the culprits, and why they did it (I have to say the reason is extremely unsatisfying, though). We don't learn anything about Shkanon (but it's briefly mentioned), Yasu's wound, or Yasu's motive, though. And the ending is basically crack, but, despite what some people think, it was one of the few things that were properly foreshadowed in this series.
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2011-01-01, 16:23 | Link #21040 | |
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And, if you're okay with it, could you tell me (in spoilers) who are the culprits and why they did it, please ? |
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