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Still, I wonder whether A-Laws wouldn't have noticed/cared that portions of their budget were being used for Secret Innovade Business rather than their own forces.
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The GN-X IV looks to be a bigger upgrade than any previous other previous numerical upgrade to the GN-X series,but I think the principle still counts.It may [estimated] be a bit more expensive to upgrade but the principle sould still apply. Quote:
For the record,GN technology is pretty advanced and should be expensive to make and produce.So yes,they'll probably be phased out eventually but the those units remaining would still be useful. Most of the ESF army's lineup in up until end of S2 still consist of regular MS,we've seen this visually in S217 but it was also directly mentioned in the HG GN-X III ESF Type manual.Even A-LAWS have around 100 MS only in their fleet consisting of GN-X IIIs and Aheads. Quote:
But your point is correct,the Ahead is much more technologically superior than the other normal MS,its just a matter of cost really. But as mentioned,the older MS will be useful as infantry roles.Of course they'll phased out eventually as GN Technology gets alot cheaper but there's no rush to get rid of all them that I can see,its only been 4 years,next 6 in the movie. Also,we have seen some old Ms be upgraded with GN Technology,Sergei's Tieren All Region Type uses a Beam Rifle,taking power from stored internal Condenser.It even has the ability to generate a bema saber at the barrel,though this was never showcased in the anime. Quote:
Since Louise answers directly to Ribbons,her funds may have been split directly between the 2,while most of the more general rich doners of A-LAWS may have donated to the more general A-LAWS faction.[under Ribbons guidance and promises probably] And I'm sure Ribbons could use Veda to manipulate the data within A-LAWS to prevent suspicion as well if he needed to.
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2009-12-06, 14:06 | Link #2123 | |
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For the record, I would like to add that I do not believe GN Tau Drives are expensive to produce. If they were, they wouldn't put 3 of them on one MA, i.e. the Trilobite. Just my two cents. Last edited by GN0010 Nosferatu; 2009-12-06 at 15:02. |
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2009-12-06, 14:54 | Link #2124 |
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For the record,the Trilobyte is an MA.And MA in general have much more power requirements,and are suppose to be far stronger than mobile suits.
The thing here is relative cost,GN technology in general should be more expensive than conventional technology but the Trilobyte isnt as much of mass production model as say the GN-X III,in recent AD timeline period so its not like they're shelfing 2 Drives for every Not putting 2 Drives there would already weaken the powerful and more expensive investment.For them to do this,the benefit of putting 2 drives on the Trilobyte would outweighs the savings of not putting it there,since they're already invested the money into making the Trilobyte. And that's why we consider Tau drives expensive,they are expensive to mass produce.But relative to True GN-Drives they're cheap especially if you compare the performance it can achive. But the thing here is,they can still produce a reasonably large number of Drives,enough so that they can afford to put 2 on a very advanced MA.In this sense,Tau Drives can be considered cheap as far as advanced militaries are concerned.The thing here is,the world is a very large place.F-22 Raptors are powerful,but even to the US they're expensive per unit if I recall.I eat good expensive food when I can afford it but I eat the normal cheap everyday stuff most of the time. There will be a cream of the crop part of the army,and this will be definitely be the GN-Drive weapons,who gets to eat alot of funding but pay back by giving good performance.Then you have the other less advanced sections of the army who should be less focused now and more cheaper. The problem here would be the old suits.They're still counted as spent cost,not to mention if you want to replace every single MS in the world with a GN one,its going to be veyr costly.Not to mention the old suits can still do a reasonably good job.I don't think the Federation are going to just destroy all of them but destrying perfectly good working MS would be just a waste. The old suits will be phased out in eventual time of course,but for moment they will probably take their roles as decent fighter.No conventional technology Flag will ever be the cream of the crop again but it could serve as a cheap low level soldiers get to pilot. One could also consider the Tieren argument here,comparitively with the other blocs,the Tierens are less advanced [And are also 10 years old in S1] but because the Tieren uses more older and more understood technology,technology that is much less experimental.Because of this they suffer much less mechanical failures than its counterparts.The HRL are equal in terms of technology prowess but delinrately chose to use this philosophy because of the Tierens reliability factors. While its never mentioned that the same applies to GN suits,it may be possible that the conventional suits suffer less breakdowns because the technology is more knowned and understood by the mechanics.Not the main reaosn I would use but something that just entered my mind. So yeah,your not actually wrong.They are probably cheap enough so that they can afford to put 2 in a non mass produced MA,its just that they may be too expensive to simply replace all those MS that are already there and are sort of useful to a certain extent. Federation's military budget would also play a factor,there may be a public backlash and for reducing it afater the A-LAWS scandal.Though the opposite happened after the Break Pillar incident,though they didnt know the truth then.
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2009-12-06, 15:11 | Link #2125 |
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So, what would logically happen when the GN-XIV and Ekisubo start being produced? Surely by that time, the GN-XIII will start to phase out the non-GNMS right?
With the GN-XIV and Ekisubo being for the top aces, wouldn't that downgrade the GN-XIII for standard pilots? |
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2009-12-06, 15:32 | Link #2130 |
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Doubtful. If the Katharon forces couldn't even obtain GN-Xs or GN-XIIs, I doubt other, less-capable terrorist forces will get GN-XIIIs. No, they're likely still stuck with Anfs, Tierens, Flags, and Enacts like Katharon was.
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2009-12-06, 21:13 | Link #2131 |
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I think the problem would be that they may not be able to handle the technology involved in specific area such maintanence,parts,GN-Drive supply and whatnot.And they may cost much higher as well.
If I was the ESF though,I'll be securing my GN-technology very tighly.
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2009-12-06, 21:29 | Link #2132 |
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Hey there were GMIIIs in F91. I am pretty sure that old technology goes to some good uses and maybe police forces can use the old suits or something. But I guess the forces the heroes will be facing will be advanced. IMO the grunt suit design of aheads and GNXs do not really look aesthetic to me. The head is too weird. Katharon's suits look better
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2009-12-06, 21:41 | Link #2133 | |
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Anyways, I wasn't saying that the older GN-X models would disappear entirely. But the GN-XIV would become far more numerous than the GN-XIII.
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2009-12-07, 05:15 | Link #2134 |
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With GN-XIV and Ekisubo confirmed as the next gen MS for the federation (or whatever in govern of Earth), what about the Aheads? I assume Ekisubo are for the best pilots like the Aheads were in Season 2, so in the movie Ahead will probably be obsolete and development discontinued like what happened to the Flags and Enacts in Season 2?
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2009-12-07, 06:18 | Link #2136 |
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Since the Ekisubo is confirmed to be a GN-enabled MS, then I reckon that the ESF now has two mainstream mobile suits.
First, one of the MS are the general purpose type and the other allocated for elite pilots. Or second, both MS are used for general purposes. Maybe the Ekisubo will act as an aerial and high mobility type MS while the GN-X IV will be the heavy and artillery combat MS? |
2009-12-07, 06:31 | Link #2137 |
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The GN-X IV's original role was to be a more lightweight mobilesuit for the ESF while the Ahead was suppose to be a bit more of a heavy type for the ESF.
But with the Ahead being discontinues,that's probably changed.The new main 2 are the GN-X IV and the Ekisubo. From lokking at it,the GN-X IV seems to be the heavier of the 2 so they may have changed the design spec to make it the heavier type. Or there is a change of emphasis with the GN-X IV being considered lightweight but relatively medium compared to the Ahead while the Ekisubo is like a super light type suit. So intead of a light and heavy type.You may now have a light and super light type.
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2009-12-07, 11:30 | Link #2139 |
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"Light" and "Super Light" in looks maybe, but we have no basis for comparison on the function of the Ekisubo and the GN-XIV yet. Though it's probably just more or less semantics anyway: The weight of "Heavy" Tanks of World War II are now the weight of "Medium" Tanks today for example
Also, the Ekisubo/GN-XIV combo, like the preceding Ahead/GN-XIII before it is very much like the F-15/F-16 or the F-22/F-35 pair: One is an expensive yet powerful fighter, while the other is a lightweight, yet versatile machine.
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