2011-01-07, 17:09 | Link #21381 |
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Yeah, but Banquet is easier than Turn even if you don't have Battler's meta-discussions. If you filtered out everything but the magic (Beatrice's FT, Eva-Beatrice's various magic scenes), the episode is still pretty much solvable with minimal fuss.
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2011-01-07, 18:51 | Link #21383 |
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At the time, the stated goal was to deny witches. Consequently finding "a solution" and finding "the correct solution" would be functionally equivalent.
Obviously even then most of us were more concerned with what did happen than merely what could have happened, but it still would've sort of been a win. However, any sensible analysis of the facts of ep3 exonerates Eva anyway, but that hardly means a solution cannot be found.
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2011-01-07, 19:54 | Link #21385 |
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Maybe I missed the discussion, but I thought that all of this was just him breaking the fourth wall in episode 8. I mean, hordes of brainless goat butlers with incompetent theories, Lamdadelta asking us to vote for her in the character polls (Bernkastel: "Who are you talking to?"), the Witch Hunters clamoring for juicy details from the diary...
Could Land be just another lighthearted reference? Last edited by Kylon99; 2011-01-07 at 20:55. |
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for reference the quote is here: http://community.livejournal.com/rokkenjima/188310.html
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2011-01-08, 02:59 | Link #21389 |
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Maybe he just couldn't come up with anything hard enough and had to drop it after exhausting his more difficult ideas. I mean, there's probably a reason Chiru never gets all that far. He at least managed enough good ideas to get to the end of ep4...
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2011-01-08, 03:20 | Link #21390 | |
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2011-01-08, 03:22 | Link #21391 |
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Actually, given that I still can't solve the letter puzzle (there not being a knock is one answer but it just doesn't feel like the correct answer to me) in Ep5 or the "There are only seventeen lololololol" puzzle (Given that neither Shannon, Kanon, nor Erika actually exist, no answer makes sense) in Ep6, I'd have to say that the difficulty of Chiru is relatively high.
"Difficulty" in the main menu seems to refer to something different than the difficulty of the puzzles, but we already knew that. |
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In other words if we were to read Land now, Ryuukishi would probably consider it easy. By the same logic, EP5 that was considered "easy" because "what can trick you at this point?" would have been most probably the hardest episode ever if it was released directly after EP2.
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2011-01-08, 10:05 | Link #21393 |
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So what you're saying is that Ryukishi doesn't judge based on the actual murders but the content of the game? I always figured that the difficulty was based on a singular problem such as "Is Beatrice real" in Turn and "Is Eva the culprit?" in Banquet.
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2011-01-08, 12:14 | Link #21394 | |
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If I were him I certainly wouldn't have wanted to get to ep8 and realize I ran out of tricks.
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2011-01-08, 17:55 | Link #21395 |
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Quick question: Are the culprits from Legend to Banquet the same people, or do they change each episode? I thought they were different people, but I was wondering.
I thought this "difficulty" thing was whether you could explain it all without magic? That would have to be assuming Beatrice is the "culprit" EP1-4. So as in it's hard to explain Turn but it got easier when Banquet came along...? Btw, what exactly is a Creator, how can a Voyager become one, and why do Voyagers fear being Creator's so much? :O
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2011-01-08, 18:03 | Link #21396 | |
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It's not really known how Voyagers become Creators (to me, anyway). But the thing about all witches is that there is one lethal disease that can kill a witch: Boredom. Witches can literally die of boredom. So they constantly seek out ways to entertain themselves. Voyagers probably fear that their imaginations won't last them long enough to entertain themselves if they were to create their own things and staying in one place for all eternity, so they always wander the endless sea of possibilities in search of entertainment. Maria shows potential to be a Creator. However, her pure heart and wild imagination are probably enough to last her for eternity, so long as she's always with Beatrice, always playing with her. That's why the two of them are enough to create their own universe: Maria makes one and Beatrice expands it for her.
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2011-01-08, 18:12 | Link #21397 |
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Did Ryukishi07 release any recent interviews concerning the Umineko EP8? I would like to hear his "hints" in solving this mystery. From his previous interviews he stated that those who are smart enough should solve the mystery by EP2, those who dig hard enough should solve it by EP4, and the rest should solve it by EP8.
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2011-01-08, 18:22 | Link #21399 |
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The guess the question with Umineko is if you do come to the right conclusion is there a way to determine whether your conclusion is correct. I think Ryukishi07 addressed this issue with the Queen's problem in Anti-Mystery vs Anti-Fanasty. But, for example, when I'm taking an exam which I won't see the individual answers (like the SAT) can I be sure I got a particular question right.
I wonder if Ryukishi07 wrote Umineko in a way in which if you solve it correctly you realized you have come to the correct answer or if you are still left in the dark. Everything I guess is still in the cat box. In quantum mechanic terms Umineko is still not solvable we see the cat.
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2011-01-08, 19:07 | Link #21400 | |
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Of course, I could be wrong, since I'm having trouble reconciling all that with the whole "boredom is the sickness that kills witches" thing. :P |
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