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Body parts jiggle a little bit in real life, particularly during moments of conflict or fast movement. Also, we're not exactly talking Highschool of the Dead here. As I argued before, the jiggling in this series is in no way unrealistic or excessive.
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2011-11-14, 00:48 | Link #2144 | ||
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The pacing so far has been fine given that it's going to be 22 episodes. I think people are so used to the single cour shows these days that they forget what pacing for a normal full season show is like. |
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2011-11-14, 01:15 | Link #2145 |
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This thread is definitely not my favorite part of this show, which I am enjoying more than all but 2-3 others this season (Chihayafuru, Kimi to Boku, Ben-Tou). In fact, if this were 2channel, I would be setting up a "refuge" thread for people who are fans of the show, as opposed to those who seem to get no pleasure from the show except for criticizing it.
I'm not going to deny a lot of the criticism, except to say I don't care. There is so much else in the show beyond its awkward plotting. These characters do seem to have character to me. Just because Shu is weak and squeamish and Inori is not a confident Amazon does not mean they are not real characters with which one (I mean I) can identify emotionally. I'm not watching anime for models to imitate, but for characters and relationships to feel. The plot details may be unconvincing, but the main situations have emotional heft, and the animation, character design, and backgrounds are all quite exciting, it seems to me. There are scenes and sequences in every episode that I find quite enthralling. For instance, Shu trying to get Inori to flee with him, then seeing her go into Gai's room, and being told "sucks to be you." Strong stuff. I don't remember seeing a situation like that in any other anime. As for the minimal fanservice, I agree that it seems fairly lame, except for Inori, whose character design provides a lot of service on its own. But many other shows have much, much more, so I'm not sure what people are complaining about, except that they came into this expecting another kind of show altogether. I keep wondering if the main problem is that people came into this thinking it was a conventional mecha/fighting show, when it is something else entirely, at heart. Not that I can put a name to that "something else," lol. I've only just restarted watching Horizon, which lost my attention early on. Until ep6 I found those characters quite boring and thin. But that show is far more popular on 2channel than this one is: 72,000 posts to 33,000.
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2011-11-14, 01:29 | Link #2146 |
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I haven't read the posts about it on 2ch, but from the comments I saw on Yaraon -- the Japanese are divided on the show just like the foreign fans are. Mostly I would say that Horizon has a very rabid fanbase from the novels and dissenters are told they "just don't understand because you haven't read the novels" etc.
The animation quality is definitely one of my enjoyments from this show. Gundam Age has 25% higher budget than Guilty Crown, but arguably they use the budget a lot better here. The quality is simply amazing at times watching the 10bit versions. |
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If Guilty Crown had a subforum, I'm inclined to think that those who just want to criticize it would post mostly (if not exclusively) on episode threads, while a "General Discussion" thread on such a hypothetical Guilty Crown subforum would allow for fans of the show to talk in-depth about it without having such conversation frequently interrupted by criticisms of the show. With a lone series thread, such neat and tidy discussion divisions are difficult to achieve of course. Quote:
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But "camp" is not necessarily bad, in my mind. You can have a show that's "camp" but still manages to have emotional heft with enthralling situations and conflicts, imo.
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2011-11-14, 01:48 | Link #2148 | |
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I wonder if people have any idea just how hard I'm trying to enjoy this show despite it's shortcomings. If people think I enjoy criticizing a show I expected to be one of if not my top fave(s) by this point in the season they could not possibly be more wrong. If anything my posting today has been little more than a stress release to try and see the light and humour in a show I already see as essentially doomed for anything other than flashy animation and fan service 5 episodes in. Also yes I expected a more "conventional" mecha/political show going in, but by episode 2 I had realized that was not going to happen and chose to switch gears to trying to view it for what it is. The fact that I'm still struggling with it despite my absolute best efforts to get into the groove seems to indicate that in this case there is something wrong with the show and it's writer, not with my approach. It should not by any means be anywhere near this hard for me to be enthused by a show that should be right up my alley...one that I was all kinds of ready to enjoy and thought I'd have plenty to fall back on if their were a few disappointments along the way. Still I continue to truck along with the absolute lowest possible standards I have perhaps ever mustered for a sci-fi/mecha series and hope to god the show throws me a bone at some point. |
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2011-11-14, 01:51 | Link #2149 |
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IMHO the biggest annoyance I have with peoples criticisms of shows is they latch onto the wrong issues quite often. Certain elements in shows, even ones meant to be serious, are for artistic flair, to lighten the mood, etc. AKA -- not everything is worth being angry over and writing a dissertation on.
Anime is rarely meant to be high art, I think people forget that sometimes. On the "Michael Bay to Martin Scorsece Scale" this show is about a 4/10 IMHO. |
2011-11-14, 02:01 | Link #2150 | |
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My main problem is that GC is boring. I wouldn't say it's as boring as Shana III or 5 cm per second, but the anime isn't executing its (really clever) ideas all that well and it's not bad enough for me to laugh at it (say what you will about Persona 4, but it's at least funny in its own ineptitude). GC has money behind it and the visuals are pretty, but they're supposed to enhance the viewing experience, not BE the viewing experience. And unlike Triple_R, I don't think the anime is campy (if it was, I could accept the stuff that happens in this show more easily). Future Diary and Code Geass are campy. That's why I can accept the weirdness in those anime. This art and effort existent in the anime is too good to be campy. And then there's Shu, who's got almost every negative trait in a main character out there to an astonishingly unrealistic degree. My problems with the character aside, I can't stand the fact that everybody keeps on finding an excuse to hit or embarrass him (Admittedly, I do see some positives in the idea, as several people have pointed out). I don't mind cruelty or dark stuff in a story, but it has to amount to something. A lot of Shu's treatment just seems to be cruelty for the sake of being cruel, especially since a bunch of his cruelty was supposed to be funny, but failed (the boob grab scene anyone?). I also explained why the "reveal" that Inori wasn't that into him didn't work for me, so I won't go into that. I do believe that the cruelty he suffers will amount to something, but when, because it's really bothering me right now? While I had to delete some posts because they felt like I was forcing my opinion on people, it's not like we're trolling the anime. I don't think I ever said, "Don't watch it", once. I want to like this show. I do. The ideas are clever and there are one or two scenes that I find to be funny or badass, but it just seems like an overbloated mess to me. Edit: To be fair, I stuck with conversations after I deleted my unnecessary posts. The stuff like Inori's outfit and the fanservice are things I find "funny" about the show, not actual criticisms. Inori's outfit is just ridiculous and some of the slapstick is just so stupid that I laugh at it (seriously, did Ayase wheel herself over to naked Shu while screaming?). I don't want to criticize the show anymore because it's gotten old, so hopefully, this post will make it clear where I stand with the show.
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2011-11-14, 02:03 | Link #2151 | |
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2011-11-14, 02:04 | Link #2152 | |
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I'm already seeing that here in how he's handling Shu's character. By the episode instead of revealing more about his backstory and showing other sides to his character all they've done is make him progressively more and more mopey, wishy-washy and full of self-loathing. The events that happen almost feel contrived in order to push him further and further down this path and it's when I notice things like this that his whole character sort of falls apart for me a bit. That's just one example of course. I can offer up more if requested, but I think that should suffice for now as an insight into some of my issues with the shows handling of it's characters. |
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2011-11-14, 02:10 | Link #2153 | |
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Also, Angel Beats! frequently struck me as pretty campy, but I certainly wouldn't question the quality of art and the amount of effort put into that show (both being very high, imo). Edit: In fairness to you, the cast actually could use a bit more charisma and "fabulousness", not less (and this might make it more entertaining for you). I want it to get more campy, not less, honestly. I will say that perhaps the show is trying too hard to please both the people who would be into GiTS, and also the people who would be into Code Geass, and that's a more difficult trick to pull off than what many might think. At this point, I think it should more decisively go after the Code Geass fanbase, because the sensibilities of this show is just crying out for that. Perhaps Guilty Crown is slightly too ambitious for its own good, similar to Angel Beats! if this is the case. However, I'm cautiously optimistic about this anime because we have two characters now that truly pique my interest for reasons beyond character design alone - Ayase, and Major Segai. If Gai and Inori get some good fleshing-out, I could see them improving a lot as well. Shu I find compelling at a possible meta level, but I'm going to wait and see how that plays out.
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2011-11-14, 02:15 | Link #2154 | |
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2011-11-14, 02:21 | Link #2155 | |
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==== Back to more important issues, we're like 5 episodes into a 22-episode plot-driven series - which pretty much means we're still in the 'exposition' stage - for both plot AND characters. Can't we give the creators TIME to actually lay out where they're going properly? As for Shu, I don't find him THAT mopey, at least not yet, nor do I find all the 'contrivances' he's been subjected to B&W either. If anything, the context of his friend's betrayal is something I hope Shu remembers - even if it's only taught him that thus far that he can't take people at face value, I think it's important for him to remember that there are usually understandable reasons, even if one cannot say they are 'good'. Furthermore, episode 5 gave him something to take confidence from, so hopefully he'll start finding his own answers from here.
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2011-11-14, 02:21 | Link #2156 | |
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Honestly, I don't know what it is about this anime per say, but I can't see it as campy. It just seems like one writer wants to make a serious anime while the other is trying to be campy, hence why I feel it's overbloated. But seriously, can we get comedy that doesn't involve Shu being an absolute loser? Like Tsugumi bum-pressing somebody as an attack? Because I'm starting to realize more and more that I cannot stand how much this anime seems to hate Shu. Edit: Yeah, I think it's the charisma of the characters that made Code Geass and those other works campy. Tsugumi and Ayase are okay, but the others just don't have any flair (plus Ayase is more serious). The bad guys...seriously, why couldn't Daryl have died in Episode 2? I know I mentioned I sort of liked him before, but upon a second thought, he's a little too over the top. Major Segai? Eh. I'm hoping it gets more campy too, because then I can at least laugh at it.
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2011-11-14, 02:21 | Link #2157 | |
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I guess in a sense, Guilty Crown has become my Guilty Pleasure (hurr)...
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2011-11-14, 02:32 | Link #2158 | |
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And even worse, he unwillingly get a power just because he don't want to die and now he's expected to join said terrorist group as if that's his responsibility because he got the power. Is there anything wrong with him being mopey? Or is it because a protagonist always has to look forward toward tomorrow with optimism even if bad luck keep piling up against you and ruin your life? Those kind of typical shounen heroes are even more unreal IMO compared to the mopey one. Being mopey is suposed to be the normal reaction, but how he picks up after getting mopey is the important thing, which we haven't arrived yet due to 2 cour series. |
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2011-11-14, 02:34 | Link #2159 |
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The plot seems unconvincing mainly because there are tons of questions still left unanswered: Examples are "What's Gai's real agenda here?" and "What happened between Gai and Shuu that made Shuu unable to remeber Gai?"
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