2017-08-30, 03:05 | Link #2141 | |
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And for Arya's ability to "read" people she gets a lot wrong. All of her suspicions about Sansa were miss placed; she thought she might betray Jon, but we know that Sansa had no intention of doing that. Ayra was able to tell that Baelish was shady but apparently did not catch that he was playing her with that message she "found". Arya's not really that good at reading people
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2017-08-30, 03:27 | Link #2142 |
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It's been mentioned quite often, although maybe not here, that Sansa wanted to stay in King's Landing because she wanted to be queen, while Ned and Arya wanted to go back to Winterfell. That in itself caused the eventual downfall of Ned. And although she did not actively order the execution of her brother, she did participate with the writing of the letter. So you're saying that what was shown is wrong, and you're right. Okay.... Her suspicions were not misplaced. If you've watched a lot of the analysis, then you'll realize that the point that she finally took action on Littlefinger was only right before his execution. That's when through someone's idea, Bran, Arya, and Sansa met up to discuss and clear the air. Aryra got back the valerian knife, and Bran told the girls all of Littlefinger's deeds. However, before this, it was all Sansa being old Sansa (or is it young Sansa). She was being haughty and wanted to be one that "won" the battle of the bastards. She enjoyed being a "Lady" of Winterfell. No, she doesn't want to kill Jon Snow, but her desire to be in charge is there. As for Arya, speaking of which, she gave Sansa her knife instead of using it. That in itself was trying to relay to Sansa not to worry, since she is not going to kill Sansa. Arya was a lot more in the know than she let on. I don't think once did Arya ever accuse Sansa of potentially betraying Jon. It's always been Sansa's speculation that Arya thinks that, not what Arya actually said. So in that regards, Sansa is once again wrong and reverting back to her old ways, until the final meet-up with Bran and Arya before the Littlefinger execution.
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2017-08-30, 09:08 | Link #2146 | ||
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Also Sansa's letter had nothing to do with Rob's death. When Rob got the letter he correctly assumed that Sansa was coerced into writing it and ignored it. Furthermore, Cersei did not want a war with the north; her plan was to make Ned take the Black so that he could convince the North to stand down. Sansa was trying to save both Ned and Rob in the only way she could. It would have worked too if not for Joffry's stupidity as he did not listen to his mother... Again, Arya's accusations of treason are complete bull. Quote:
And i did NOT see any joy in sansa when she was acting as the lady of winterfell; it seemed like she experiencing nothing but stress and frustration as she worked to hold everything together. Heck Jon leaving was her fast track to being in charge but she tried everything she could to convince Jon to stay. With Jon gone Sansa was the only one able to hold things together and that's what she did... If Sansa really wanted to be in charge so badly, then why not support Jon's decision to go to dragonstone instead of oppose it? Hell Even after they won the battle, Jon was insisting that Sansa take her place as the Lady of winterfell; if she wanted the job, she knows that Jon would have given it to her. But no, even when given the chance for Power, she deferred power to Jon instead. And sure Sansa kept littlefinger around, but that's because he kept the Vale on their side. He was untrustworthy, but useful. The reason she turned on him is because it became clear to her that he was now becoming a threat to her family and THAT is where she draws the line. Also if Ayra did not suspect Sansa was going to betray Jon, then why the hell did she give Sansa such a hard time and make vague threats to her? Why not be nice to her sister? With the letter she made it clear that she could undermine sansa's control of the north, and she even made it clear that she could kill and replace sansa. Heck she even pointed out that she was not only mad at sansa but was gonna let her anger determine her actions. That was NOT Sansa's imagination. Why would Arya have any reason to be passive aggressive to Sansa if she knew she had no intention of betraying Jon? Arya could have been nice, friendly and understanding with Sansa, but she was anything but. The threats were a pretty clear message; "I won't kill you now, but if you ever betray us, I WILL kill you" All in all, i think you give Arya too much credit, and Sansa too little credit.
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2017-08-30, 09:53 | Link #2147 | ||
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I'm a bit confuse as to what you guys are arguing at this point tbh.
I think it boils down to if Sansa was at fault for Ned and Robb's death. The answer is no. Her only fault was that she was naive and a bit foolish for trusting the Lannisters to keep their word. Cersei maybe many things but even she didn't want a war with the North. She was perfectly fine allowing Ned to take the black. Unfortunately for everyone else Littlefinger was whispering in Joffrey's ear. The real culprit in all of the things that happened in GoT is Littlefinger. He wanted Ned out of the way so he can be together with Cat but after her death the creeper turned his attention on Sansa. Quote:
Anyway here's something interesting revealed in an interview of Bran's actor Isaac Hempstead Wright. http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game...ne-1202541941/ Here he stated that there was a scene that was cut from the final episode that would have cleared the confusing mess that is the Winterfell subplot. Quote:
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2017-09-27, 10:04 | Link #2149 |
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Game of Thrones stars Kit Harington and Rose Leslie to wed
Congrats to Kit and Rose. A far better fate than their characters.
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2018-01-05, 21:35 | Link #2152 |
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The final season of Game of Thrones will be out on 2019.
Oh well, more time for GRRM to release The Winds of Winter. |
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April 14 is the premiere date for the last season. I actually like this teaser more than the previous ones (S7's "Sit Down", S6's house of Black and White). This is probably not the actual scene from the show but it did show the remaining Stark children (minus Bran for some reason unless the crypt is not wheelchair-friendly) being together and that Jon will learn of his heritage soon, judging by Lyanna's, Catelyn's and Ned's voices. And Jon's statue looks a bit older than him. |
2019-01-15, 06:40 | Link #2159 |
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^The Stark children if you notice their outfits. It's like the teaser is telling us that either of them may die. What's strange is that Jon's statue looks older than him so he might outlive them. But again, I don't think this teaser will be in the show.
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