Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Bill

[Haru~]

All the channers are actually sensitive about it. Actually the whole anime community is very much concerned. Cause this is not what we wanted. It's just a bill where there's no actual proof that anime affected the growth of their children. Hell, I'm watching these kinds of anime when I was young but I grew much better, thinking more mature in those kind of critical things. I think it's the job of the parents to guide their own children in these kind of anime.

I'm actually thinking that Japan is doing a suicide for its industry. You see, in my opinion, Japan is about anime and manga (seriously, I wouldn't be interested of Japan without that). I learned a lot about their culture and how open-minded they are in their works (cause here in the Philippines, a simple exposure in media is considered immoral by groups like the Church). Limiting their works are actually limiting their potential.

But if that's what they want. What can we do about it? It's their own choice and we have to DEAL WITH IT. Because we are just leechers anyway. What is most important is that we should pray that some of our anime and manga that are affected by the bill will not be cancelled or banned and continue.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by Vexx

If Ishihara does manage to cripple the anime industry (big *if* there)... basically he's handing the keys over to the Koreans and possibly the Chinese -- way to be patriotic there, Ishi-baka

(reference: Ishihara is an ultra-nationalist and xenophobe).

Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's like having Glenn Beck govern New York, except Beck is acting and this guy is the real thing.

By the way, I'm having trouble imagining the Korean and Chinese animation industries eclipsing the Japanese. Glancing at the manwha and manhua makes me kinda sad sometimes.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Claies

By the way, I'm having trouble imagining the Korean and Chinese animation industries eclipsing the Japanese. Glancing at the manwha and manhua makes me kinda sad sometimes.

Not to mention China's outstanding commitment to freedom of expression.

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Claies

Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's like having Glenn Beck govern New York, except Beck is acting and this guy is the real thing.

Glenn Beck is an effeminate, anti big nanny gubmint so that comparison just can't fly.

[Key Board]

Please read this

It is important not to spread the misconception

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

[Tiberium Wolf]

I wonder if we are going to see riots. Here in Europe we riot for everything and for nothing. Some ppl just enjoy burning cars and trashing whatever they find.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by flying ^

Glenn Beck is an effeminate, anti big nanny gubmint so that comparison just can't fly.

I was trying to compare the ultranationalism, but fair point.

[Taufiq91]

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=276139

According to 47 News, Japanese Prime Minister Kan Naoto mentioned the boycott of Tokyo International Anime Fair (TAF) by manga publishers in the official blog and said "It's important to promote Japanese anime to the world as well as to maintain the education of children. I want the people involved to work together to avoid cancellation of TAF."

According to Jiji Tsushin, Torishima Kazuhiko, the senior managing director of Shueisha and the former editor of Dragon Ball, announced that Shueisha will not allow to exhibit anime related to their manga at TAF 2011. At the ceremony of Newface Manga Author Award, Torishima encouraged the winners to "create manga which can knock down Ishihara Shintaro (the governor of Tokyo)." Ibaraki Masahiko, the chief manager of the third editorial department, said "Don't hesitate in creation. Jump magazine will publish anything fun."

Sources: 47 News, Jiji Tsushin
Modified by dtshyk, Yesterday, 9:07 AM

both Ishihara and Kan hates each other. Let's see how everything goes.

Oh, and we all must fight for freedom of expression regardless which country you're in.

I say, we should fight anyone who dares to stand in the way of our freedoms!

Individuals, Moses, Jesus, Religious scholars, lawyers, presidents, democrats, republicans, communists and pirates have been fighting for the freedom to express ourselves for what we are for thousands of years. Don't let some shitty bill ruin that! Just like what Julian Assange and Wikileaks did to the US Government, we need to do the same against Gov. Ishihara.

I say bring your scripts, your pens and your fists and go out there AND FIGHT! Draw some tentacle hentai on him. Have Luffy, Goku and Kenshiro give Ishihara the beating, and get every maid in Akihabara to kick the governor in the balls! If the editor of Jump says it, then you should start now!

[Guardian Enzo]

Blog post on this topic (had to get it off my chest):

Includes a link to email the PM, Naoto Kan, if anyone is inclined to politely share their views. I don't think there's any question he's personally opposed to the bill, but I don't think he's convinced of the political gain to be had by opposing it officially. Other than that, I don't know what else a foreigner (or even a Japanese citizen) can do to fight back at this point.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Taufiq91

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=276139



both Ishihara and Kan hates each other. Let's see how everything goes.

Oh, and we all must fight for freedom of expression regardless which country you're in.

I say, we should fight anyone who dares to stand in the way of our freedoms!

Maybe put Ishihara as the anti-Spiral, and the otaku fandom as Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

Or Ishihara can be Admiral Akainu and Luffy will be the otaku fandom.

Or put Ishihara....

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[Thewanderer]

Originally Posted by Claies

Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's like having Glenn Beck govern New York, except Beck is acting and this guy is the real thing.

Wait... Beck is only acting?!?

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Key Board

Please read this

It is important not to spread the misconception

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

Thanks for posting that: you're right, it's required reading for anyone here.

Originally Posted by Dan Kanemitsu

Good Night, and Good Luck.

How very appropriate...

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Taufiq91

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=276139

both Ishihara and Kan hates each other. Let's see how everything goes.

Oh, and we all must fight for freedom of expression regardless which country you're in.

I say, we should fight anyone who dares to stand in the way of our freedoms!

Individuals, Moses, Jesus, Religious scholars, lawyers, presidents, democrats, republicans, communists and pirates have been fighting for the freedom to express ourselves for what we are for thousands of years. Don't let some shitty bill ruin that! Just like what Julian Assange and Wikileaks did to the US Government, we need to do the same against Gov. Ishihara.

I say bring your scripts, your pens and your fists and go out there AND FIGHT! Draw some tentacle hentai on him. Have Luffy, Goku and Kenshiro give Ishihara the beating, and get every maid in Akihabara to kick the governor in the balls! If the editor of Jump says it, then you should start now!

I think this is an extremely horrible idea, and just gives a ammunition to the opposition

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

[Taufiq91]

Originally Posted by Thewanderer

Wait... Beck is only acting?!?

Spoiler for Glenn Beck:

We all know that he might have raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Originally Posted by Key Board

I think this is an extremely horrible idea, and just gives a ammunition to the opposition

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

But the message me and Dan made is clear:

Do The Best You Can to Make Awareness

violent or non-violent, you must make your most effort to try to make your voice heard in any way that you can, to try to break the perpetuation of the notion that Japan is a free for all when it comes to child pornography and erotic subjects in anime and manga and video games.

It can be polite or not. But there are limits to what you can do. So the best approach is being polite.

Also, in the best business way possible, start a PR campaign to bring awareness of this bill and fight against the bill. Start a "liberty rights" company and have seiyus, mangakas and animators join in. Imagine how powerful it would be to have the likes of Aya Hirano, Satomi Sato, Kyoto Animation, Eiichi Oda, Akira Toriyama and more helping the cause against Bill 156? Very powerful.

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Claies

I was trying to compare the ultranationalism, but fair point.

Dr. Michael Savage is a better comparison

i bet even ishi agrees with savage's motto

"Borders, Language, Culture"

[Key Board]

A thought occured to me. Adult manga and games are not regulated by this bill.

Now, if you're like me you are probably asking yourselves.. how many non adult manga and games do in fact, glorify sexual crimes like rape?

Honestly I can't think of any. (Then again, I guess they could put an ugly spin on this.)

So let's read the bill one more time and try to discern its true intent

As I quote,

"Bill 156, essentially stipulates all sexual acts that would be illegal in real life OR sexual depictions between close relatives who could not legally get married to be treated as adult material if they are presented in “unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated manner.”

What this really means is this:

If your manga is pro yuri, pro BL, has incest themes or has a couple with a questionable huge age gap, or anything Tokyo thinks is illegal, even if it presented in a gag manner, that has to be designated as adults only

Do you like Clamp? We'll they'll have to be extra careful from now on with their whack couplings

Thought crime indeed..

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Key Board

Please read this

It is important not to spread the misconception

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/20...156-and-japan/

Okay, that does indeed relieve a lot of my fears about this bill. It would seem indeed like fanservice is not included under this bill, as long as its not actually sexual.

But I'd still like it better if we could hear specific examples of what is and isn't good according to this bill, and it would help more if the bill supporters would take the time to make these examples themselves, so we know for sure instead of hearing it from second-hand interpretation:

Would Toaru Majutsu no Index be classified as harmful because of fanservice, or just Kuroko's yuri antics? (neither of which sits well with me fyi ; Kuroko doesn't actually do anything sexual)

What about shows like ToLoveRu? (according to the links provided on the quoted website, I would believe this one to be safe though, since the fanservice in ToLoveRu is largely not sexually oriented....at least, not the currently airing anime )

Obviously something like Yosuga no Sora is going to fall under this bill (twofold even, sex scenes and incest sex scenes ), but I think we can safely assume the staff went in with that assumption anyway.

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Key Board

how many non adult manga and games do in fact, glorify sexual crimes like rape?

ero shoujo manga does
there are even highly detailed how-to-guides in those mangas
sankaku ran an entry/article on that (dated Oct 30, 2008)

"Shoujo manga is actually some of the most explicit manga outside of actual ero-manga, vastly more so than shonen manga and seemingly considerably more so than most seinen manga.

Thus, I couldn’t help but notice the interesting question raised by the Vippers in this thread, “Why doesn’t it ever get censored?” Examples proffered below…"

[Decagon]

Originally Posted by Taufiq91

But the message me and Dan made is clear:

Do The Best You Can to Make Awareness

violent or non-violent, you must make your most effort to try to make your voice heard in any way that you can, to try to break the perpetuation of the notion that Japan is a free for all when it comes to child pornography and erotic subjects in anime and manga and video games.

You're trying to co-opt someone else's hard work and message to promote polite awareness by tying it to your call for violent protest. By trying to argue for the freedoms of Japanese anime and manga this fervently it seems like the country you live in might have worse restrictions. Why not start there instead and make your country a better place? Remember that they are trying to promote this bill by saying these media works corrupt youth to perform criminal and deviant activities. Violent protests will only justify their side, not ours.

Originally Posted by Taufiq91

It can be polite or not. But there are limits to what you can do. So the best approach is being polite.

Also, in the best business way possible, start a PR campaign to bring awareness of this bill and fight against the bill. Start a "liberty rights" company and have seiyus, mangakas and animators join in. Imagine how powerful it would be to have the likes of Aya Hirano, Satomi Sato, Kyoto Animation, Eiichi Oda, Akira Toriyama and more helping the cause against Bill 156? Very powerful.

You need some perspective about these power players you call. The only name related to the industry these politicians might even know about is Miyazake Hayao and that's because he wins fame and renown for Japan regularly on the international stage. If the people aren't relevant to the reelection of a handful of politicians whose constituents are in Tokyo, I seriously doubt they will care.

edit:adding a reply

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Okay, that does indeed relieve a lot of my fears about this bill. It would seem indeed like fanservice is not included under this bill, as long as its not actually sexual.

You misunderstand--it's anything under the guidelines Tokyo politicians set out that Tokyo politicians interpret that Tokyo politicians believe to be sexual. Additionally, the clarification on that blog post was that the West is interpreting this as a bill against extreme sexual acts whereas it actually imposes guidelines on behavior and morality that extend beyond sex.

Originally Posted by Shinji103

But I'd still like it better if we could hear specific examples of what is and isn't good according to this bill, and it would help more if the bill supporters would take the time to make these examples themselves, so we know for sure instead of hearing it from second-hand interpretation:
/snip

I encourage you to read back about 4-5 pages from this post as there are translations of parts of the bill that the rest of us find the most disturbing about this measure.


I would find this entirely amusing if it turned out to be an extremely public extortion of the various affected industries for graft.

[Taufiq91]

Originally Posted by Decagon

You need some perspective about these power players you call. The only name related to the industry these politicians might even know about is Miyazake Hayao and that's because he wins fame and renown for Japan regularly on the international stage. If the people aren't relevant to the reelection of a handful of politicians whose constituents are in Tokyo, I seriously doubt they will care.

So Akira Toriyama is less famous than Miyazaki?

Sure, we need Miyazaki as well. But someone like Akira Toriyama has more influence globally than Miyazaki.

Sure, Miyazaki has won accolades and oscars worldwide, but the same goes for Toriyama and many people recognize Dragonball more than Spirited Away.

Dragonball is one of the biggest japanese anime brands next to Pokemon and to have the creator of Dragonball speaking out against the bill is actually more important than Miyazaki, especially towards the youth who were raised on Dragonball. Miyazaki might bring awareness to the more sophisticated types, more Toriyama will bring in support from ALL sides!