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I still stand that even in the LN art those I mentioned is are all more good looking than Tatsuya.The aanime/manga does make him more good looking than most of the LN art though. |
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Aside from that, we do not yet know if Tatsuya's martial arts skills are better or worse than Kazama's or Yanagi's. His Ninjutsu alone may be better since he has been called Yakumo's favourite or best pupil. But that's just one school of martial art. Why do you say especially not Yanagi, everything in the novel shows he is an anti-personnel magician who excels at CQC? Quote:
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Ultimately, the novel stated Mayumi, the magic sniper he couldn't even see, protected her colleagues and beat him by exploding magic dry ice particles in his lungs. Since he dodged or blocked everything else she fired, she had to slip invisible gas particles inside his body to actually attack him successfully. Everyone who engaged him in CQC was defeated by him instantly except Naotsugu or when he had to dodge magic sniper fire. Quote:
We have no real idea if Tatsuya's pure martial arts are better than Yanagi's or Kazama's. Yakumo is a Ninjutsu specialist and so are his students. There is no real comparison of their martial ats skill with Kazama and Yanagi given in the novel, only comparisons limited to Yakumo and his Ninjutsu students. This would not indicate if Tatsuya is better than Yanagi or Kazuma at martial arts. We only have the details that Yakumo beats him every time in their CQC fights, and Tatsuya said he cannot beat the other 2 without his Trident - a specialized long-range magic aid. Quote:
So I agree he might be one of the top ones, but any reliance on his innate magics to me feels like reliance on his raw magic power rather than close combat magic skill. And I don’t think Tatsuya used any decomposition magic except maybe as counter-magic in V13. Quote:
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Are you saying strolling and tearing through machine gunfire, amoured vehicles and magician blockades like they weren't there, easily beating down everyone in close combat except 1 person who is also a top world ranking magic CQC expert, while countering ambushing sniper/backup fire, while being heavily injured with nothing but one's bare hands, is Not Enough superlative and expected only from top world-rankers in magic CQC? If it is yes, then I am truly surprised and I suspect in this novel we will never see someone that matches or surpasses Lu who actually meets your expectations of a world rank close combat magic expert. I can understand if you say his performance was disappointing, but using the argument of his opponents were teenagers doesn't make sense to me when this has always been a magic high school story and he was not beaten by them in CQC. Quote:
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Dude, in this novel you should understand by now that if you encounter exceptionally powerful magicians who have you targeted, you do not adapt, you RUN or instantly DIE. No matter how great your magic aided close combat skills in the world are, in an upfront confrontation a person who can kill you from long distance with their mind can only be countered by a similarly exceptional super power. Last edited by LKK; 2014-06-02 at 19:24. |
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2014-06-01, 11:04 | Link #208 | |
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@ guest2: Thats cool, we have different opinions. Those reasons I stated was why I was disapointed with the character Lu when I first read the Yokohoma arc.
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And especially Yanagi because it goes like this Yakumo>Kazama>Yanagi so it's dumb for tatsuya to lose to the third strongest of them without trident. Quote:
Just compare their abilities from what've been shown so far and try to guess what would happen in case of a 1 on 1 showdown. Also using Tomitsuka as an example doesn't even work to prove a point, he's one of the newly developed counter-tatsuya characters to make Tatsuya look like he's having trouble when he really shouldn't. He defeated all the parasite dolls in vol13 with magic CQC didn't he ? Quote:
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Why not just believe in what Tatsuya think himself? It's true that he has a bad opinion of himself but he never actually considered himself weak and his thoughts when fighting another opponents are always objective. He was ready to fight Lina in V9, you think he planned to lose? So far with comparison Yakumo, Kazama and Yanagi don't stand a chance. That's why these comments by the author are useful. We know all of Tatsuya's powers but what about these 3? Yakumo is a Ninjutsu specialist, illusion master and must know many Ancient magics. We don't know much about Kazama and Yanagi as well. He defeated the parasites but without Pixie's help he would have been unable to see them. Quote:
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When he fought the parasites he would've won anyway, just with higher difficulty. Quote:
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That makes absolutely no sense, Katsuto is the heir of his clan, Tatsuya is one of the most powerful magicians in the entire world, how can you compare Mayumi or Mari to them ? Even the combination of both would lose to them. And how is Erika and Leo not A rank ? Especially Erika.(I'm not ranking them according to magic power but fighting prowess, just making sure i clarified that)
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In a 1 on 1 showdown Tatsuya would do like he mentioned. Once he gets in a tight spot in a martial bout, I believe he would try Gram Dem or pull out Trident to counter their magic, and then attack with oscillation-type magic, as seen over and over again in the novel. Seeing as they know his abilities, he would likely go with his favourite Gram Disp. rather than Gram Dem. Quote:
As I mentioned previously, he defeated the parasites using copy and pasted magic to reseal them. More destructive methods might have caused the worse case scenario and so he used less powerful CQC attacks. The majority of the parasites except a few at the end fought back using magic and projectile weaponry, rather than CQC. Quote:
Yeah, he needed pixie to quickly locate their positions in the forest and to also anticipate their coordinated attacks. Last edited by LKK; 2014-06-02 at 19:24. |
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I will respond the questions regarding Erika in the Erika thread. Last edited by LKK; 2014-06-02 at 19:08. |
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And my point was that you're also speculating, the author said Tatsuya couldn't beat them without Trident but that is so vague that you can't draw any real conclusion from it, was the author talking about unsealed Tatsuya ? was he talking about a simple fight or a fight to the death where Tatsuya can go for the kill ? Quote:
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As for Lina, he used Trident the CAD, not the spell, and just that was enough to hit Lina who has one of the most powerful magic power levels in the world. Yakumo has considerable magic power not on the same level, the reason for his prowess lies elsewhere. And when training Miyuki. Quote:
There is no way Maya will put a seal against Tatsuya just to seal half his psions, which is really only useful when he's using flight magic(the seal was in place way before he invented it) and Gram Demolition, a spell that Tatsuya can already use long enough even in his restricted state. Quote:
Tatsuya always loses WHEN it turns to a magic sparring battle, a battle where he is restricted and can't use any of his innate magics.
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I'm temporarily locking this thread until I can get the posts sorted out into their proper on-topic character threads.
Edit: Tatsuya thread is now open again. I have moved some posts to the new Lu Gonghu discussion thread, the Erika thread, and the Other Characters thread. Some posts were split between the Tatsuya thread and one of those other threads depending on the main subject of the paragraphs. (Talk about Tatsuya, Lu, and the others was often mingled in the same post.) steps on soapbox labeled Moderator Please remember to keep on topic when you're talking in a thread. When you jump around from topic to topic within a single thread, you make it extremely difficult for readers to come in and follow the conversation line. A wall of off-topic posts is a great way to keep people out of the thread. Here at AS, we want to encourage people to enter threads which is why off-topic walls posts are against the rules. steps off soapbox
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