(L+CR) Wizard Barristers

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Endscape

I wondered that as well, but I've surmised that they (Butterfly) played him; the guy seemed genuinely angry at Kohinata, perhaps he thought his testimony would lead to the death penalty?

And we're supposed to assume the lawyers had this amazingly witty way to outsmart the guy off-screen?

Originally Posted by Endscape

Didn't they trash her as a liar, since she changed her story?

And why couldn't the prosecutors do the same for the No Face witness? Immediately after his testimony, the verdict was overturned, with no pressing or cross-examination.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Also have to love how death penalty and total acquittal are the only case outcomes we've seen thus far. Does jail not exist in this world?

The funny thing is that MC's mother seems to be serving life imprisonment, so its not really a either or situation. Why circumstantial evidence led to an immediate death penalty for this ex-employee for killing a CRIMINAL rather than imprisonment just seems inconsistent.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

The funny thing is that MC's mother seems to be serving life imprisonment, so its not really a either or situation. Why circumstantial evidence led to an immediate death penalty for this ex-employee for killing a CRIMINAL rather than imprisonment just seems inconsistent.

Cecil's mother is on death row, it was mentioned by that one girl. I know it doesn't make sense since criminals are apparently executed on the spot as seen in the first episode, and yet...

[Tenzen12]

Isn't possible it's transportation spell? I don't remember anyone explicity mention otherwise...

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Guilty until proven innocent is something I can overlook. As I've said before, I've played the Ace Attorney games. There are plenty of other problems.... All of these are problems that are not exclusive to Japanese law. There was no real court procedure - what the episode amounted to was telling us that they caught the real bad guy and that must call for a happy ending.

I agree with this. I did call it "courtroom cheese." I just enjoyed enough of the other aspects of the show that i am going to keep watching, for now.

[Znail]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

The look and the characters got me through the courtroom cheese. The only thing to remember is that many places in the world do not have "innocent until proven guilty." If the police arrest you, the idea is, you must be guilty. So you have to prove you aren't. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a great principle of English Common Law that has not spread to all non-English-speaking countries. Japan is one of the countries that it has not spread to.

In any case, I enjoyed the episode, but the courtroom scene made it look as if the show is aimed at ten-year-olds (no offense to any smart ten-year-olds reading this).

I was under the impression that Japanese law was a bit better then that. I had assumed that a real Japanese court would have dissmissed this or even not been taken to there in the first place (Japanese police tend to not prosecute cases with lack of evidence). The conspiracy theory the prosecutor suggested was at best a possible scenario as there was not even any circumstancial evidence that supported it.

The way I got it is that the anti-mage laws demanded that you prove that you used magic in a proper way or else you get busted. That is why it was up to the accused to prove his innocence rather then the other way around.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Isn't possible it's transportation spell? I don't remember anyone explicity mention otherwise...

That's right. No one said they're executed on the spot if I remember correctly, so despite how ominous it looks, it could be just be a transportation spell.

[Yu Ominae]

Originally Posted by aiuewatcher

There was his name in the closing credits and it was displayed only the last name, but not in that photo. Hiroki Amemiya as Otoo.

Ok. Thanks. My kanji reading's not good, so I can't tell which one is Otoo in kanji yet. I'll do research unless someone wants to help out.

[ZodiacBeast]

I didn't think this episode was so bad like some other people have. The only thing that I thought was stupid was that as soon as the gang member made his statement the judge automatically accepted it and closed the trial. I get that it was the end of the episode but there should have been at least a line or two showing cross examination.

I'd say something about how Cecil and crew could have gotten him to say anything since they beat the crap out of his crew, but I think that's the exact reason he did tell the truth. He didn't want to get wailed on anymore.

[jeroz]

This show is more about mecha than about court room stuff

Since mecha doesn't add to many points for me personally, the other parts being quite lacking is not doing this show any favour.

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That's right. No one said they're executed on the spot if I remember correctly, so despite how ominous it looks, it could be just be a transportation spell.

Do they really need such a menacing teleportation spell? It looked like the the gates of hell opening for the sentenced. Cecil's mom seems to be in a normal prison and the visitation session looks like your typical visitation too, so it'd be weird if they just transported them via that spell into a normal prison.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Esclair

Do they really need such a menacing teleportation spell? It looked like the the gates of hell opening for the sentenced. Cecil's mom seems to be in a normal prison and the visitation session looks like your typical visitation too, so it'd be weird if they just transported them via that spell into a normal prison.

Well, the only other option I can think of is that the law (and the application of it) became more severe sometime after Cecil's mother was condemned.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Esclair

Do they really need such a menacing teleportation spell? It looked like the the gates of hell opening for the sentenced. Cecil's mom seems to be in a normal prison and the visitation session looks like your typical visitation too, so it'd be weird if they just transported them via that spell into a normal prison.

It's not like we know how magic exactly works, and usualy function is more important than appearence. Maybe if criminals were transported to summer resort with aloha dancers all around that spell would look completely same...

Or it can be completely opposite, and spell itself was designed to look omnious and intimidating, for media. To appeas common people and stuff.

Anyway omnious look doesn't mean spell itself has to be omnious.

[Znail]

Originally Posted by Esclair

Do they really need such a menacing teleportation spell? It looked like the the gates of hell opening for the sentenced. Cecil's mom seems to be in a normal prison and the visitation session looks like your typical visitation too, so it'd be weird if they just transported them via that spell into a normal prison.

On the other hand, it looks far more like a teleport then an execution spell. Public execution on the spot is a bit far fetched compared to the teleport as well.

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by Znail

On the other hand, it looks far more like a teleport then an execution spell. Public execution on the spot is a bit far fetched compared to the teleport as well.

Well they used to drown witches as part of the trial 'process'

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Cecil's mother is on death row, it was mentioned by that one girl. I know it doesn't make sense since criminals are apparently executed on the spot as seen in the first episode, and yet...

Which part of the episode mentioned the death row? I probably missed it, since the only thing i remember is the Chief talking to the MC about her becoming a barrister(?) to reopen her mother's case.

Also, assuming that studying for becoming a Wizard Barrister only happened after her mother got imprisoned and that it would take an estimated 3-4 years of study time, it would mean that her mother has been imprisoned for that long.

We'll have to see how long it actually takes for death row prisoners to get executed I guess, this is assuming that the spell used in the courtroom isn't the actual execution spell.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Eclipze

Which part of the episode mentioned the death row? I probably missed it, since the only thing i remember is the Chief talking to the MC about her becoming a barrister(?) to reopen her mother's case.

It was the Chief, Ageha, who mentions the "death row" disposition about Cecil's mother. Later Ageha makes the observation that Cecil is interested in this case because how the circumstances of the suspect is so similar to Cecil's own mother.

[Gohan78]

I think we shouldn't judge the episode on the basis of our own judicial system. It's clear that the society depicted in WB is heavily discriminating towards wizards. The judge holds absolute power in the Magic Court. There isn't even the possibility of an appeal.

As for the testimony of the No Face member, I got that he didn't want Kohinata associated with them. It was a matter of gang pride. "There is no way that coward is a member of No Face!", something like that.

[Eclipze]

Originally Posted by monir

It was the Chief, Ageha, who mentions the "death row" disposition about Cecil's mother. Later Ageha makes the observation that Cecil is interested in this case because how the circumstances of the suspect is so similar to Cecil's own mother.

I'll check the episode again, thanks monir.

[Dekomori Sanae]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Also have to love how death penalty and total acquittal are the only case outcomes we've seen thus far. Does jail not exist in this world?

Jails do exist, even for wizards, and Cecil's mother is in one - which is the entire reason why Cecil became a barrister in the first place, to try to get her mother out.

The law rather reminded me of a court-martial than an actual court, that could be why it hands out the death penalty that easily.

About the No-face guy, since they badly trashed his group, he might have been afraid that they do more... since they have to prove the accused to be not guilty, there might not be any protection against self-incrimination or forced testimonials either.
Alternatively, they could've tricked him or just played him. That No-face guy evidently wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and he was seriously angry at him, also he was quite hot-headed and didn't want to associate with him, so he talked without thinking things though.
The judge believed him over the bank employee because the bank employee's credibility had just gone out of the window.