[Mai Otome] Episode 17 Discussion/Poll

[Sakuya]

Oh ya, the ending sequence just ruins the serious atmosphere and mood. I wish they'd change it as well. Other than that, I'm still speechless.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

^remembers KIRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Shrugs)

And watch Nina pull an Asuran on Arika

I can see Nagi's face.

@bigprime

As for Nina and Arika, their relationship was severed the moment Nina saw that hankerchef.

[ArchDragon]

Originally Posted by Sakuya

This episode was so awesome. But really, we still haven't seen Natsuki's Element yet. Anyway, I'm rendered speechless right now. Poor Mashiro, looks like another supposed friendship has broken off? Oh when will Mai come rescue everyone from this chaos? Maybe next episode.

You mean she'll snatch Sergay away, proclaim that his real name is Yuuichi, and made those 2 went even more ape****?

At least that's what I'm hoping for.

[Sakuya]

About the "Five Colums" issue, look what I found:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=colum

It works pretty well actually. They are working for the sake of Garderobe/Fumi. Wouldn't that make them saints?

[ranchan13]

All I can say is that the shit not only hit the fan, but completely obliterated it.

1: I'm sure a lot of us saw this coming

Spoiler:

My beloved Ero-stin was indeed the first major cast member to bite it.

2: I saw this coming, but only on second glance just prior to watching the episode

Spoiler:

But it was indeed Ero-stin who recieved the black letter in episode 16

3: Natsuki's Materialization kicks ass

4: Nina is now the bearer of Nagi's Ultimate Black Diamond

5: Arika is once again donning the robe of the Sky Blue Sapphire

6:

Spoiler:

I knew the moment Sergei jumped between Arika and the Slave that the episode would end in a large explosion as Nina and Arika collided in battle. Anyone else think that the look of fear on Natsuki and Shizuru's faces had more to do with the ammount of power those two are giving off, and less to do with them actually fighting?

7: Finally, the primary plot is coming to life. FRom this point on I am willing to bet that Otome will follow a very similar bath of HiME, continuing on with story advancement, action, and ShizNat. I don't expect any more light-hearted episodes (though a couple moments here and there won't hurt), and I have a feeling this series will end in a bang.


Episode rating 10/10
Compared to recent episodes 11/10

I knew Sunrise was holding out on something.

[Timeless Enigma]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

And watch Nina pull an Asuran on Arika

I can see Nagi's face.

@bigprime

As for Nina and Arika, their relationship was severed the moment Nina saw that hankerchef.

The question is can Nina find it in herself to self-destruct?

This ain't Gundam though, she ain't gonna be able to eject from her robe or something.

EDIT: I think the odds of a reset at the end just jumped up when Erstin bought the farm (that must've been some farm). As much as I don't want it to happen and to let the dead stay dead... I like I said before I will be VERY surprised (and very pleased) if there is no reset at the end of this show.

[QU4RK]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

When the gem was released for Nina, what did Smith say? He seemed a tad bit shocked.

He said, "Why that legendary GEM is here?"

Aoi is dying?? Noooo... I like Aoi-chan.

What is Smith said regarding Souten no Seigyoku? It seems that the robe is not in complete form???

[ArchDragon]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

As for Nina and Arika, their relationship was severed the moment Nina saw that hankerchef.

I think it has more to do with what Nagi said to her throughout the whole event.
For all her cool outer shell's worth, Nina is surprisingly moody.
All Nagi has to do is set the right mood, at the right time, and there goes her sanity.

And as much as I hate to admit it, Sergay is most likely the next one to go.
Otherwise, he'll make Nina and Arika make up with each other.
Or he'll get taken over by some "Dark Overlord" just like Reito in HiME.

[djmaca]

Questions in this episode!

1. Why is Sergey invincible? Doesn't he bleed?

and;

2. Why kill Erstin first? Tomoe's a much better candidate!

[Guido]

Originally Posted by djmaca

2. Why kill Erstin first? Tomoe's a much better candidate!

Because those characters who become from vengeful, bitter rivals into full fledged villains make up quite ordinary bad guys in an amoral sense.

[imperialmog]

Maybe Sergey is really Chuck Norris is disguise.

Oh I got a feeling a reset of some forms will happen. But some characters will likely stay dead, especially the ones who we wouldn't mind. *Erstin's parents at the top since what parents do that to their own child*

If Aoi bites the dust, will we see enraged Chie?

[Timeless Enigma]

Sergay's bled before. When he was attacked by that Aswald Slave.

Yeah, the way I see it Sergay's death (if he dies) will cause one of two things:

1. Defuse Nina and turn her back to normal.

2. Complicate matters and create an even larger right between Arika and Nina.

Also, depending on when he dies is a factor as well... normally if he were to die closer to the end of the series, I think it would be safe to say it would bring Nina back from the brink. If he were to die in say... ep 18, it would likely intensify the feud since I speculate the "final battle" will be ep 25 or 26.

I think this belongs more in the speculation thread but... whatever.

But before the North Hound dies he should REALLY kick ass! not just fire a couple of bullets each episode.

[twh]

Originally Posted by imperialmog

Maybe Sergey is really Chuck Norris is disguise.

Heh, that explains everything!

As for the episode itself... ohhh...

...it gave me shivers... why?

You see, there's a particular term for things like this happening, it's called "Schadenfreude". Roughly translated into english, it's used to describe the sick, twisted, and inhuman elation one gets from seeing the misery, agony, and sorrow of others.

Ah, the Theater of Pain.

I'm in a euphoria here.

THIS is what I've been suffering through so much to wait for! Bring it on, Sunrise!! Let the body count of beloved characters soar through the heavens!! Let the earth be soaked with the tears of fans!!!

*BREATHE*

...life is good.

[ranchan13]

Originally Posted by djmaca

Questions in this episode!

1. Why is Sergey invincible? Doesn't he bleed?

and;

2. Why kill Erstin first? Tomoe's a much better candidate!

1: Look closely at the part of Sergey's outfit that got ripped, see that giant metal plate? Yeah, I think that saved his ass, lucky bastard

2: Why? Because my beloved Ero-stin was the closest friend to both Arika and Nina. Nina, who defeated Ero-stin's slave, will likely snap even more then she had with the whole "Otou-san is Arika's Oujo-san"? Fact is, now the stones are set in motion for the final battle between Nina and Arika.

Also, if we look back to HiME, it was Mikoto (care of Yata-garasu) who defeated Akira's child, thus killing Takumi. Remember Mai's rage? We're seeing that same rage in Arika now over Ero-stin's death at Nina's hand. The difference here being
a: Nina, though Ero-stin was her closest friend, has more hatred over the Sergey issues then remorse for her death
b: Arika is more emotionally driven then Mai ever was.

Conclusion, Nina and Arika are the Otome to beat this time around (typical light and dark power struggle unfortunately) and I don't believe even the 5 Pillars have enough combined power to contain them.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by ArchDragon

I think it has more to do with what Nagi said to her throughout the whole event.

Uh no, I meant that it BROKE the moment she saw that Hankerchef which basically proved one of her worst fears in her life. Nagi just fed on it afterwards to get her even more pumped up. Did you not see her eyes crack when she saw that?

So your saying that if Nagi didn't talk to her after she saw it she would be fine and dandy and not go berserk because the majority of it was Nagi?

: Look closely at the part of Sergey's outfit that got ripped, see that giant metal plate? Yeah, I think that saved his ass, lucky bastard

....the slash was ABOVE the plate, assuming if that really is a metal plate

Conclusion, Nina and Arika are the Otome to beat this time around (typical light and dark power struggle unfortunately) and I don't believe even the 5 Pillars have enough combined power to contain them.

They weren't chosen to be the 5 pillars for no reason

Though you can't argue the fact that both Nina and Arika are on a rampage That would be hard to contain.

[Kawool]

Spoiler:

its true the girl looks like Aoi...but she would make a good 'arika 10 years after battle' one too ...yea i have silly ideas lately XD

[ranchan13]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

They weren't chosen to be the 5 pillars for no reason

Though you can't argue the fact that both Nina and Arika are on a rampage That would be hard to contain.

Explain Nao
Not that I'm saying Nao isn't a good Otome, I'm just saying there are better choices *cough* Chie *cough*

[ArchDragon]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Uh no, I meant that it BROKE the moment she saw that Hankerchef which basically proved one of her worst fears in her life. Nagi just fed on it afterwards to get her even more pumped up. Did you not see her eyes crack when she saw that?

So your saying that if Nagi didn't talk to her after she saw it she would be fine and dandy and not go berserk because the majority of it was Nagi?

Not fine and dandy, obviously.
But Sergay might still be able to talk some sense into her if Nagi hadn't pushed her over the edge.

Remember that Nina vs. Arika is basically Mai vs. Shiho part II.
Shiho didn't completely went bonkers until Nagi gave her a little final push.

There's also the gem factor:
If Arika's personality become similar to Rena's due to carrying that gem since birth, then there's a fair chance that Nagi's gem is affecting Nina in a different way.

And unlike MH's Yuuichi, who pretty much knew the reason for the conflict between the 2 girls, Sergay has absolutely no clue what caused Nina to behave that way.
Hence he just stood there wondering what the **** is going on between those 2.

I mean, IRL, I wouldn't expect my daughter to went emo and pull out 2 daggers to kill her best friend just because I've been paying her tuition secretly.

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Originally Posted by ranchan13

Explain Nao
Not that I'm saying Nao isn't a good Otome, I'm just saying there are better choices *cough* Chie *cough*

I think Nao has better battle skills than Chie, even Akane complemented Nao for it.

As for Arika and Nina, I'm sure they would've qualified to become pillars when the time comes for them to take the 5-pillar exam, assuming there are vacancies available.
Recall that only the Pearls took the exam, not the Corals.

[MattAlchemy]

Originally Posted by Kawool

Spoiler:

its true the girl looks like Aoi...but she would make a good 'arika 10 years after battle' one too ...yea i have silly ideas lately XD

It looks like Aoi in the bottom left and right side of the hair. Her face looks like Mai and Arika. The bangs... Well, the bangs look like Mai's! The eyes are the same color to both of them. Who knows?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by ranchan13

Explain Nao
Not that I'm saying Nao isn't a good Otome, I'm just saying there are better choices *cough* Chie *cough*

DId you not see episode 6? Akane the #1 Pearl performed nice in 14ish was it? But still faltered while Nao took out a tentacle monster with style.

Not to mention that Nao could probably be the #1 pearl if she wanted too but note, she doesn't want that and things started messing her up when she got bumped up to 3(which she said would make things hard for her), and then got chosen to be a Pillar. No doubt she wanted to stick to 4.

Fumi saw right through it.

I mean, IRL, I wouldn't expect my daughter to went emo and pull out 2 daggers to kill her best friend just because I've been paying her tuition secretly.

Dude...have you not seen episode 11?

"If it wasn't for you then father would be paying attention to me and not you!"
-Nina

This is something that has been building up the whole time. The part when Arika called Sergay by his name, then we have the birthday date (Yes it was reconciled but as you can see she still broke easily. See how easily she jumped to the conclusion that her birthday was picked all because of Rena's daughter?). And now she finds out that he has been sponsoring her secretly and not only that but he sent her a really nice birthday gift. And not only THAT but the two have been writing letters to each other.