2006-11-13, 21:04 | Link #201 | |
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I honestly don't mind incest in anime as long as they don't shove it down my throat...I have a sister, so any directly related incest is unpleasing in my mind. |
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2006-11-13, 21:18 | Link #202 |
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I'd say the majority of "incest" in anime only lives in the mind of the (mostly American based on what I've seen at animesuki) viewer. Cousins aren't incest in most of the world and U.S., people unrelated by blood aren't incest (think of a bunch of village children who are essentially raised together from birth ---- guess what, they get married later, guess what -- most of them are related in some way because its a freaking small village). I guess its the "forbidden" idea that is a turn-on (or jawdropper) for some --- the rest I just sign off to clueless provincial lack of knowledge about the world. Not to mention that the use of "oni-chan" can apply to any older male child that the young femme feels is a protector of some sort.
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2006-11-13, 22:25 | Link #204 |
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I think you mean Gene, as in family gene. Blood....generally doesn't denote ones family trait, I mean, it would be so easy to have blood transfusions if that were true lol
I guess, what I mean is, the mixing of genes and such.... bleargh, my brain is fried. Maybe not so good to be fansubbing late at night and taking a break on a forum (I had noticed this thread is a bit old....I hadn't noticed I had posted in here previously if not for the thread icon ) |
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2006-11-14, 02:15 | Link #206 | |
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Fact: 26 states allow first cousin marriages; Most people can marry their cousin in the US. Fact: Any US prohibitions against cousin marriages predate modern genetics. Fact: No European country prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. The USA is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions. Fact: It is estimated that 20 percent of all couples worldwide are first cousins. It is also estimated that 80 percent of all marriages historically have been between first cousins! Some pertinent links: http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=facts http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041001.html There also government census data links but -- google is your friend. In some sense, we are all cousins. No two people are more distantly related than 50th cousins. In some parts of the world, cousin marriage is preferred simply because of the social bonds that already exist within the extended families.
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2006-11-14, 02:57 | Link #207 | ||
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Ah, this theme again.... Really, i do not understand why people keep seeing incest everywhere left and right even when there is not any. As far as Gift is concerned they are not even related - Riko was adopted some years ago and left soon after - they have not even lived together for long. And we also know that Riko is Haruhiko's first love ever since then, so he has never seen her just as his 'little' sister.
As far as Onii-chan goes - that can be applied to any male character as a form of respect/representation of a brotherly figure. Sakura calls her cousin Onii-Chan. Elis calls her cousin Onii-chan etc... I think in anime more often than not some one called Onii-chan is not the actual brother of the girl. Quote:
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And direct incest is kinda hard to achieve between people who are not related in the first place. Heck, i do not remember ever seeing an anime with incest to begin with. Most 'incest' is brought up by people who have false views on the subject.
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2006-11-14, 05:49 | Link #208 |
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The thing I found interesting about Koi Kaze is that, although the two are blood siblings, they haven't been raised as brother and sister. There was a study a few years back, reported in New Scientist, about incest. It's very rare among siblings who have been brought up together. In fact, sex between non-related siblings that have been raised together from an early age is also very rare It's an instinct to stop you breeding with someone too genetically close. There is no similar instinct between siblings that have been raised seperately.
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2006-11-14, 06:04 | Link #210 |
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I think its rather interesting how Japanese culture is openly (relative to other nations) exploring the more taboo aspects of sex & sexuality.
Incest is a big problem in the bible belt of America and the Amish communities:- (a generalisation, so if you fall into one of those groups and don't get busy with your sister pat yourself on the back I dont want to know about it.) -: yet I could never imagine America tackling the incest issue with the type of almost positivity the Japanese do. Where the bible belt types reach the conclusion of incest through repression and closed communities the Japanese reach it because they find it amusing/interesting and they acknowledge that everyone has this potential for the twisted and macabre.
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2006-11-14, 06:12 | Link #211 | |
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2006-11-14, 14:07 | Link #212 | |
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I understand the concept from the experience of two girls who lived on my street that I knew from kindergarten on up into high school. I dated each of them and our immediate mutual feeling was "I feel like I'm dating my (brother/sister)." But we grew up in a suburban environment in Texas with its local Bible Belt issues about such things mixed with an industrialized lifestyle. On the other hand, my mother's parents grew up in a small town and had essentially been raised next to each other from preschool and were married for 60+ years. Both are anecdotal and no conclusions can really be drawn from them. I've seen it mentioned in multiple psychological articles that much of the world prefers marrying people they know versus strangers they've met (or at least between families that know each other). It is only reversed in some parts of America and a few other places -- and even then only historically recently (in the last 100 years or so). I suppose one could trace it to the disruption of extended families due to the industrialization age and the resulting social taboos from not wanting to appear to be "rural".
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2006-11-14, 14:30 | Link #213 |
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My take on incest: if Biblically (and probably actually) we all came from the same woman to start with, then whatever happens, we are all the products of something incestuous. I personally don't see the problem with incest - other than its physical issues (mutations, genetics and so on). The only reason it's a taboo is because it's socially and culturally shunned, not really because of any inbuilt emotion telling you "NO!"
Take that as you will. I have to admit that I haven't got a sister, and I've hardly ever seen my cousins... so I could have a somewhat biassed view of the subject However, without the inklings of incest, Riko would never have come to our screens, and I think that would be a bigger felony in itself ^_^ |
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2006-11-14, 16:17 | Link #216 | |
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They are "against" the concept of incest as are most people. What they do however is not representative of this. Obviously I dont wish to generalise over millions of people over tens of states but the stereotype of the incestuous bible belt/deep south hick exists for a reason. I saw an interesting report which pretty much showed that there is very little genetic difference in a very large amount of people that would allow the analysis to be made that over the last 200 years+ there was a lot of inbreeding going on in these areas. I'll try to track it down for you.
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2006-11-14, 18:38 | Link #218 |
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I guiess you could look at it from a geneitic stand point in a lot countries merrying a family member is ok. But eventually the genetics of it will catch up to the offspring. Its kind of creepy but i can seperate anime from reality. I guess for most western countries its not widly accepted but each country to it own
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