Fate/Zero - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[Sinestra]

Not much to say here except that this was the best episode yet. The Berserker class is just as dangerous as ever anything he touches becomes his Noble Phantasm. That kind of power if perfect for a Berserker class.

Rider showing she wont back down no matter how many enemies she faces, however that wound is handicapped she needs to defeat Lancer soon.

9/10

Rider showing how a true king should act. I love how most the masters did not want to send their servants up against Rider. He already announced who he was so now everyone knows hes no pushover.

Gilgemesh forced to retreat oh man hes not going to be a happy camper.

[maelstormCaT]

Originally Posted by ookamigirl

That Rider sure likes to talk a lot..
Gilgamesh is as arrogant as ever, would love to see him go down.
Berserker looks pretty scary this time too & somewhat mysterious as well.
Awesome episode!! Nice action as well as tactics.

Iskandar (Rider) may talk a lot, but he still manages to gain the respects of the other servants (caster not counted) . maybe its his brash honesty?

The Black Knight (Berserker--won't state identity just yet) is the most versatile servant in this war. he's not as berserky as Heracles, that tiny amount of intelligence that's left is what make him so very dangerous. I'd say he/she looks more epic than scary XD. Lancer got slight advantage against him, but even then it would still be a close fight.

Gilgamesh is arrogant yes... but believe me when i say he's not as arrogant as he would be in the future.

on a side note. will be looking forward to the next time berserker fights. there's a certain scene that i am looking forward to, and it will blow the minds of the people that hasnt read the VN yet.
Berserker's Noble Phantasm allow him to wield any weapon proficiently. i wonder how many people will say WTF when he used THAT.... hehehe
(i would name the noble phantasm in question, but im afraid it'll become a major spoiler...)

[jonli]

Wow, I never had much faith in Fate related anime adaptations because of how much I disliked the movie and the last tv series.

But I gotta say...Fate/Zero is turning up to be the best this season. Animation, pacing, story....EVERYTHING....is awesome.

[Kallen4life]

will be looking forward to the next time berserker fights. there's a certain scene that i am looking forward to, and it will blow the minds of the people that hasnt read the VN yet.
Berserker's Noble Phantasm allow him to wield any weapon proficiently. i wonder how many people will say WTF when he used THAT.... hehehe
(i would name the noble phantasm in question, but im afraid it'll become a major spoiler...)

that's gonna be the most epic thing in the history of mankind

wonder what the author smoked there

[ChainLegacy]

Gilgamesh should be more respectful to Alexander... After all the latter added the former's domain to his vast empire as but a portion of a massive whole. If we're going to go purely by legendary status Alexander should be the strongest servant in my mind.

[Velsy]

Really enjoyed this episode. basicly 80 % of the servants meeting up. Alex asking Saber and Lancer to join his army, then they both getting pissed off for him even mentioning the idea and interrupting the duel. Beserker and Archer show up and have a fight. Berserker looks quite impressive to defend against the very attack that fell assassin.

But then some reason, berserker goes berserk and singles out saber ? I have a feeling she was an intentional target. Mainly because he he didnt attack just anyone. He seemed content to let Lancer stand beside him. If he was in berserk rage? why isnt he attacking anyone. Then theres the part at the end, beserkers master doesnt seem to happy he lost control and attacked saber. Kinda gives me the idea saber and berserker may know each other?. Just a feeling, but if its the case, I already have an idea who it could be. But the black gas kinda reminds me of Celty from Durarara, except with an attatched head. So I not certain :s

In all I looking forward to the finish of Lancers and Sabers knightly duel. Knight of Fianna vs King of Britain.

Ah, also Alexander was quite cool at the end there. Trampling berserker, then willing to stand by sabers side, if lancers master insisted on tarnishing Lancers repuatation any further.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

Gilgamesh should be more respectful to Alexander... After all the latter added the former's domain to his vast empire as but a portion of a massive whole. If we're going to go purely by legendary status Alexander should be the strongest servant in my mind.

Gilgamesh wouldn't be respectful to his clone. He's Gilga-f*cking-mesh.

And Saber is stronger if you go by legend. Just think of how many movies and books have some variant of the King Arthur legend in it.

[Vena]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

And Saber is stronger if you go by legend. Just think of how many movies and books have some variant of the King Arthur legend in it.

If we go by pure legend, Hercules is leagues above all servants in Fate/, or at the very least any seen in the series. His mythos is used everywhere, far more than Arthur, and his (mythological) accomplishments and sufferings out weigh just about everyone else in every way. Then again, he probably would have been the most powerful had he not been driven mad. But, between Arthur and Alexander? What do we define as legend? Alexander is far more legendary than Arthur in terms of accomplishments, but he's rarely used in literature where Arthur is romanticized far beyond anything even remotely true to his origin or supposed accomplishments.

Type-Moon is pretty arbitrary in what is more powerful than what... and then some people (read: F/S Archer) fluctuate on power scales as if they were attached to the little game at carnivals that you hit with a hammer to see how high your weight will go.

[kk2extreme]

If Gilgamesh is going to be a girl, it would be her

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by Velsy

In all I looking forward to the finish of Lancers and Sabers knightly duel. Knight of Fianna vs King of Britain.

Knowing Urobuchi.......why do I have a feeling that the ending to this duel will be anything but honorable

Originally Posted by maelstormCaT

on a side note. will be looking forward to the next time berserker fights. there's a certain scene that i am looking forward to, and it will blow the minds of the people that hasnt read the VN yet.
Berserker's Noble Phantasm allow him to wield any weapon proficiently. i wonder how many people will say WTF when he used THAT.... hehehe
(i would name the noble phantasm in question, but im afraid it'll become a major spoiler...)

let me guess, like this?

[Rethice]

Fantastic episode again.

I'm kind of dissapointed all of the masters have shown their hands already, except for Caster, whether intentional or not. It kind of ruins a bit of the intrigue behind the holy grail war. I did however very much enjoy the mutual respect between Lancer and Saber.

Rider, Saber and Lancer have all been portrayed successfully as equally noble characters, but all very different. I think that's good.

Rider was redeemed in my eyes in this episode as well. I was becoming a bit unsure about his character from the last few episodes - as much as I love GAR, he seemed all talk and doomed to fail in such a political death match that is the holy grail, but he seems to have the power to back up his words judging by the way he trampled Berserker with ease without even raising a hand. I think his form of honour brings a nice change to the battlefield as well. There was never a character like him in Fate/Stay Night either. I also really loved the way he defended Waver, saying he had the courage to go into battle by his side. Though it was only a half truth, it was really a good bolster of their awesome Bromance.

I'm really curious to see how Saber will deal with the curse on her arm. If it does not heal, wouldn't that mean it'd be impossible to stop the bleeding. Wouldn't she bleed out and die? Even if she doesn't, she'd be too wounded to defeat Lancer considering she couldn't even beat him on even terms. I can only presume someone else will kill Lancer first and break the curse for her. Caster in his obsession, maybe?

Things are looking good. I'm excited

[jonli]

I was an idiot to not know that Iskander is actually Alexander the Great until I read this thread. -_-...

Collin Farrell has always been the face that I imagined when I thought of Alexander, the Fate version is WAY off my imagination scale. Now that everyone knows who he is though, they should try fighting him with elephants like in the stories :P.

[giorno]

Originally Posted by Rethice

Wouldn't she bleed out and die? Even if she doesn't, she'd be too wounded

i've already said it, servants are spirits and spirits don't die of blood loss. The only problem with that wound is that it messed up her left thumb, making it difficult for her to grip the sword handle with her left hand...and yes, it is supposed to be a major problem

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Originally Posted by maelstormCaT

on a side note. will be looking forward to the next time berserker fights. there's a certain scene that i am looking forward to, and it will blow the minds of the people that hasnt read the VN yet.
Berserker's Noble Phantasm allow him to wield any weapon proficiently. i wonder how many people will say WTF when he used THAT.... hehehe
(i would name the noble phantasm in question, but im afraid it'll become a major spoiler...)

You mean LN

Berserker in F|zero is fucking epic, I certainly agree with that.

I don't expect the anime to be as magnificiently detailed as the Novel but suffice to say that I disagree with what was left out already. The focus has been too much on servants with short but significant moments left out about the Masters and that's why some viewers are finding Masters uninteresting etc. when in fact, the Masters are the more interesting ones with their motives and thought process that actually drives the war along. As to the argument that details in Novel can't be animated, I don't see how hard it'd have been to show Kirtisugu hug Irisviel with tears in his eyes for instance. It doesn't - and I realize full well that it can't - have the same level of detail as the novel but it could have made a better attempt imo. That's all I am saying \(º_o)/

[pikachuwei]

Hey guys I think we have a case of missing Noble Phantasms

In LN Gilgamesh shot 16 noble phantasms at Berserker in their big exchange, and this is true in the anime as well, you can count 16 Noble Phantasms coming out of Gate of Babylon before Gilgamesh fires them

But once he fires them at Berserker, I can only count 14 Noble Phantasms? Anyone wanna see if they can count 16?

Here's my list
Berserker starts off with a Sword in his hand
1. Catches Houtengki (the spear)
2, 3, 4, 5 are Deflected by Berserker
6. Berserker dodges this sword, it explodes
7. Berserker throws his sword at this sword and they clash, flying off into the air.
8. The Axe, comes flying down at Berserker, who catches it.
9. Deflected by Axe. Explodes in Shipping container.
Berserker sticks Houtengki into the ground
10. A Sickle flies at Berserker, who catches it
11, 12 and 13 are deflected by Berserker
14. Vajra is caught by Berserker and slammed into the ground, causing an explosion of lightning

I don't know where the last two have gone, unless they were the ones that Berserker threw at Gilgamesh, but there was no scene of them being fired so I thought they were weapons Berserker already caught/deflected? oO

[king12354]

Even if it comes out of the gate, he doesn't necessarily have to fire them. It's pretty trivial nonetheless.

[pikachuwei]

he fired all of them at Berserker

It's just a fun little task I set myself, no harm in trying to count =/

[Vicious108]

Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

Gilgamesh should be more respectful to Alexander... After all the latter added the former's domain to his vast empire as but a portion of a massive whole. If we're going to go purely by legendary status Alexander should be the strongest servant in my mind.

Strength in F/SN (and consequently F/Z) seems to be determined by a legend's age rather than its fame though. And Gilgamesh is the oldest one around, with his legend taking place around 2500 BC IIRC. The Epic of Gilgamesh is also one of the earliest known pieces of literature in the history of mankind. So since he's been around the longest, he's the strongest. That's how things seem to work out in the Fateverse anyway.

[Geburah]

Both age and fame counts, but age is a bigger factor. Herakles had HUGE fame bonus and quite a good age bonus. In Gils case his power is mostly due to his HAX weaponry more than his raw stats which are the ones modified. See for example Medea, shes quite ancient yet shes considered one of the "weakest" servants of the Fifth War

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Gilgamesh wouldn't be respectful to his clone. He's Gilga-f*cking-mesh.

And Saber is stronger if you go by legend. Just think of how many movies and books have some variant of the King Arthur legend in it.

I disagree, but it doesn't mean much what I think since they already have their own power scales set up. My thought is though, Alexander actually did conquer most of the known world, in terms of tangible accomplishments he's the best of the bunch. Only Genghis Khan would beat him. But if age is a factor more than actual accomplishment, then it doesn't matter. Pure legend though, I think Alexander still wins because his actual accomplishments still outshine the legends of Arthur or the others. But that's just my opinion, not fact by any means.