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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 06 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 96 | 56.47% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 58 | 34.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 5.88% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 3.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-11, 03:10 | Link #201 | |
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You always seem to forget that the suffering is duly compensated for in some way here. Let me say here that QB will not offer the deal without what he believes to be adequate compensation for the MG's loss. Thus, QB rationally has calculated the number of MGs he needs to maintain his lifestyle and believes that he has compensated them properly. I am now even failing to see why morals even need play a part in this. Let us consider that he absolutely needs this number of magical girls to survive and insure his survival. Should he be called evil because he wants to survive? Should he be chastised when he offers due compensation? This is a moral grey area just like when a poor mom needs to steal for her kids or, taking from anime, the conflict amongst some of the vampires in Shiki about whether they are truly evil because they need to kill to survive. Morals aside, QB just does what he must and that is hardly evil. ASSUMPTIONS ABOUND
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Actually I would say so far her plan has more or less succeeded up to this point seeing as she's managed to prevent her from becoming a Mahou Shoujou. Sayaka is the current obstacle to her cause, and she wanted to deal with her this episode already. Unfortunately Kyube, as he is a manipulative bastard, got in the way of that this episode (And again, she tried to prevent him contacting her in the first place). Except it has been stated that Homura did not make a contract with Kyube. Would not apply.
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2011-02-11, 03:16 | Link #204 |
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I have to agree that Homura was a bit poor at communicating with her vague statements but she just had the idea that if she kept Madoka ignorant then shit wouldn't happen.
The thing is that it's not easy to convince people; sometimes experience speaks for itself. And you don't want people learning the hard way. If she argues her point more strongly, then its just her words against QB and it just ends up like an AS discussion on moe. It's painful to bother going into detail when you're explaining concepts that people can't understand. And of course, her own mental state, after probably being a magi for so long means that it's really hard to try and help someone else. Meaning, she's probably tried harder in the past to convince someone and failed. A few failures tends to make you just not give a shit anymore as you kinda just painfully watch people falling into the trap. (Poor poor Sayaka)
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2011-02-11, 03:18 | Link #205 | ||||
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Edit: Honestly, I don't want to think that Homura intended to kill Sayaka. That would make Homura villainous in my mind, because it's choosing to take an option that takes an innocent life when other quite viable options that wouldn't cost innocent lives could be tried first. Part of the reason why I've defended Kyubey somewhat is that we don't know what options he really has. But when it comes to talking Madoka out of becoming a magical girl, I can think of more than a few.
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2011-02-11, 03:24 | Link #207 |
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Watch the episode it was awesome as always... especially shedding some light on some plot points and also casting quite a lot of ambiguity.
About Kyubey, this episode just confirmed for me, my long held belief that there is a fine print on that super nice contract which makes me very happy. ^^ Beside this, confirmation that Homura can also teleport on short distances or stop time for an instant is also a nice bonus. On the other hand, I can't really say that this episode showed that Kyubey is evil and Homura is actually good definitely. Both of their actions throughout the show has been always ambiguous and this episode 6 is not any different. Kyubey may have not said that your soul will be transported in a gem form in your contract. But, that does not make him evil to my knowledge. It may not be ethical by any means but as he have said in the preview, he did perform his end of the bargain did he not? And it seemed that he can't quite get why the girls would be upset that he changed the location of their soul...and logically really would the location of the soul really matter at all? On Homura, as much as I like her and yes she is my favorite character, this episode also have painted her in an ambiguous light... like every other episode .... ^^ . Yes, she saved Sayaka twice in this episode if we count - preventing her from rushing blindly to Kyoko and retrieving Sayaka's soul gem. But, we must remember that she also apparently teamed up with Kyoko and her comment about fixing Sayaka's problem discretely rings alarm bells in my mind. And yeah the knowledge about the soul gem which is painting Kyubey black right now is also a big question mark with Homura. Why did Homura never said a word about it? And her vague warning does not count .... Hmm... need more time to digest this episode... ^^
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2011-02-11, 03:26 | Link #208 | |||||||
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I fail to see what "morals" or " moral difference" would have anything to do if your in fact talking about being coldly logical. a coldly logical person would look at the functioning like : am i still human ? , can i act . eat move sleep do things like a normal human? things like that where does morals come in? I will give you this though> yes SPOCK might not be bothered where the soul resides as long as for all intents and purposes they are still the same person ( only with more durable bodies) => hence your posit that QB similar to spock because he will look at it logically and not be bothered. agreed somewhat. but then again this is spock the vulcan. VULCANS who are so engrossed with traditions and ceremonies and stuff (in fact LOGIC is a part of their religion). He MIGHT take exception to a creature removing his soul from his body, it's natural abode, unless there are earth/universe shaterring reasons and there's absolutely no other way ( you can be sure he'll do his best to find one). of course we cant be sure anyone want to ask spock? ^^ Quote:
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anyway enough of spock, just want to point out FOR ME they are worlds apart. on QB though isn't it strange he only contracts little girls? girls who are not yet matured enough to make good decisions in this situation, never been explained right? guess one more thing looking forward to P.S. i guess if QB can contract just anyone then it wont be A MAHOU SHOUJO show anymore. ehehe real world reasons ^^ |
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I don't feel there's much more she could have done other than not fail to kill Kyube at the start . Haha, sure. But no really, he's a manipulative bastard because he's trying to bring Madoka into the mahou shojo world as much as possible and get her involved despite the fact that the only true way for her to be able to intervene would for her to make a contract, which would be JUST AS PLANNED.
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2011-02-11, 04:15 | Link #212 |
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o___O even after reading some spoilers for this episode, i say, about the last part, I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!!!
man, urobuchi is doing an excellent job with these unpredictable turn of events! he never ceases to impress me! *worships* LOL. but seriously, i was like "OMF! what's goin' on??! whattahell just happened?! d-did sayaka just die??!! OMG!". dang, the whole thing was just so sudden. one moment sayaka was only talking and then in abrupt, she's falling lifeless already! who could've expected that? and then i just stopped breathing seeing homura ran fast (short-distance teleportation?) for sayaka's SG. everything that happened this episode is superb!! great job SHAFT! especially gen! XD anyhow, about QB, i still see him as amoral. he couldn't understand some human emotions, right? so, his actions are acceptable. i say, i still need a lot of much more solid hints that point to him as an evil creature .and then that's the time for me to eat my own words which i am very much wiliing to do XD nuff said. lastly homura..i dunno anymore what she is really.. T__T but i am a believer that she's on the good side. T__T i love homura. T___T BEST EPISODE SO FAR!! and i'm already on the verge of my seat for the next events that urobuchi will slap on our faces. XD MSMM FTW!!! Last edited by BaKaBaKaOtaKu; 2011-02-11 at 04:39. |
2011-02-11, 04:20 | Link #213 |
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When I think about it this seems plausible as during the next episode preview QB's voice changes on the last line. This implies QB has another form that possibly projects her soul into QB. Would certainly explain his mentality about the soul.
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2011-02-11, 04:44 | Link #216 |
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Just watched the episode. Good development. I'm interested what is this plan Homura and Kyoko have come up with but whatever it is it seems that they have something in store for Sayaka. And speaking of Homura... Sayaka really owes Homura big time now.
And seriously Kyubey is really a manipulative bastard. Even Kyoko was in rage when Kyubey revealed all those disturbing things. Anyway a very good episode. 9/10 from me.
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