(CR) Rokka no Yuusha

[SinsI]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Also Nashetania has alibi too (likely), After all she is princess living in palace surrounded by servants. On thing is sneak away into prisson in guise of maid, other is disappear for several weeks every time to travel across country and kill braves...

That's only if she acts alone. Just because there are supposed to be 6 real Braves out of 7 doesn't mean there can't be 2 or more impostors, if they already killed the real Braves and took their places.

Also note that as a princess, she has access to information about all those Brave candidates. People with less status wouldn't even know about half of them.
We have also been shown a potential motivation - her own father ordered her execution! And she lost her mother and her only brother. That's some fucked up trauma that can push her to root for the destruction of all humans.

[ookamigirl]

Piena princess sure is an unusual one.
She and Adlet make a nice duo.
The story was kinda slow.
Just riding around and talking.
Things got a bit more interesting towards episode end.
Still can't decide whether to drop it or keep watching it.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by PreSage

Well, right now my suspicion is on Nashetanya and Goldof. It is possible the attack was masked as playful because she did become quite aggressive afterwards that Adlet shouted at her. That or she was possessed. But if she was possessed, she wouldn't have remembered what she did and would have acted more confused. Either way, with her past and her odd behaviour, I find her to be really suspicious. I also find the way she gazed at her dead horse to be rather cold and unsympathetic. Yup, she's one I'd keep a wary eye on.

just to say. Nashetania attacking seriously wouldn't give the same result. A Saint of Blade is heavily specialised for battles. While she was stressed due for it being her first REAL battle against monster after all her duels/mock battles for years, she is still a saint heavily trained for combat. Didn't you hear what she said in the first episode? That soldier that Adlet defeated, who was already in the semi finale of a tournament including only strong fighter. She defeated him in the finale in an overwhelming fashion. Do you think that gentle attack is the only thing she can do? Did see those monster heads getting cut easily? do you think her attack against Adlet could have done that? Se was playing around without trying to kill him.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by SinsI

That's only if she acts alone. Just because there are supposed to be 6 real Braves out of 7 doesn't mean there can't be 2 or more impostors, if they already killed the real Braves and took their places.

Also note that as a princess, she has access to information about all those Brave candidates. People with less status wouldn't even know about half of them.

Even if it were true, you claim that Adlet is only one with alibi would be wrong... actually only killed person (going MIA) after Adlet were imprisoned was Saint of sun which was irregular case, so Adlet would be more suspicious. And for canditase, identity and skills of saints are no secret. And fighter of great skills are no less famous.

That said we still don't know Fremy side of story, she could be one killing braves exactly as Godolf said.

And of course as Zefyris said, if Nashetania were at least little serious, Adlet would be in lot of troubles.

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

just to say. Nashetania attacking seriously wouldn't give the same result. A Saint of Blade is heavily specialised for battles. While she was stressed due for it being her first REAL battle against monster after all her duels/mock battles for years, she is still a saint heavily trained for combat. Didn't you hear what she said in the first episode? That soldier that Adlet defeated, who was already in the semi finale of a tournament including only strong fighter. She defeated him in the finale in an overwhelming fashion. Do you think that gentle attack is the only thing she can do? Did see those monster heads getting cut easily? do you think her attack against Adlet could have done that? Se was playing around without trying to kill him.

I didn't say she was seriously trying to kill him then. I actually considered it an arrogant antic on her part. But her attack did get more aggressive near the end; that Adlet had to defend himself otherwise he would have been killed. That was the abnormal part of it. That's why I suspected she may be possessed but that seemed unlikely based on her behaviour afterwards. It is still too early to say who it is without seeing the remaining 4 Braves but as of right now she is on my suspects list. One thing is certain, her behaviour is not normal - not to me at least.

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

That said we still don't know Fremy side of story, she could be one killing braves exactly as Godolf said.

And of course as Zefyris said, if Nashetania were at least little serious, Adlet would be in lot of troubles.

But then the argument for Nashetanya can also apply to Femy. Why bother asking the second time if he was here to kill her after he revealed he was one of the Braves? If she was indeed the killer, she would have shot him dead the moment he revealed his identity.

Unless, the killer, if she was either Femy or Nashetanya, was waiting for a specific moment to kill him for whatever reason.

But I do find it interesting that Femy remained suspicious of Adlet even after he revealed he was a Brave. Why would she be suspicious that a Brave would kill another Brave? Was it simply her nature to not trust anyone at all or did she know something?

[zeando]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

But playing dumb is not speculating. We have a word for that, it’s called pretending which, in the context of a forum, is no better than lying.

never said otherwise, i'm aware of that
but i'm seeing only two options for novel readers in a public anime thread
1) pretending/playing dumb/lieing/and other badbad things
2) being spoiler dispensers and party poopers for any anime only watcher

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

So yeah, Botan is right. Novel readers cannot speculate about something they already know for sure, unless they pretend to not know. So, rather than asking for novel readers’ speculation (which is impossible), you better ask them (through PMs) to give you vague information if you don’t want to be spoiled (but still want to get some hints). That way, the novel readers don’t have to pretend, playing dumb or lying.

or there is the extra option
3) if novel readers see a question which they can answer with novel knowledge the most correct thing to do is not answering at all
(not in PMs, not in spoiler tags, not even saying "i can't answer that cause it would be a spoiler")

regardless about speculating, do all novel readers have a complete and total understading of the novel work?
has the novel already answered all the possible questions?
(don't even try to answer in this thread, it's not a question which i want an answer for myself)
even novel readers should still have things to specutale about, they just need to wait the right time to do it while not being spoilerific

off to watch the episode

[Alf]

It's picking up an atmosphere of an epic adventure. They're travelling far in half episode, not just going from one town to the next. Then there is some nice battles, good interactions, introduced two more braves and some conflicting hints. Presentation of scenes are really good. I'm now looking forward to it.

It's obvious there's some conspiracies and the writing seems trying to lead/mislead the audiences by hints here and there, so I think it will continue to be dialogue heavy. But I'm not going into too much speculations now and will enjoy the adventure first. There are a lot of things to take note of but it's too early to go into some wild guess for my taste.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by PreSage

But then the argument for Nashetanya can also apply to Femy. Why bother asking the second time if he was here to kill her after he revealed he was one of the Braves? If she was indeed the killer, she would have shot him dead the moment he revealed his identity.

Unless, the killer, if she was either Femy or Nashetanya, was waiting for a specific moment to kill him for whatever reason.

But I do find it interesting that Femy remained suspicious of Adlet even after he revealed he was a Brave. Why would she be suspicious that a Brave would kill another Brave? Was it simply her nature to not trust anyone at all or did she know something?

Well, yeah there is always option that killer for wating for spefic moment for whatever reason as you said. Anyway Nashetania can't be killer of braves on her own (she can be mastermind though) unless she has double to fill her place on court.

And for Fremy, as I said we don't know her story yet, maybe candidates she killed were in league with Majin all along, or antagonist kidnapped someone close to her and she was blackmailed, maybe brainwashed or controloed, or maybe she were just going around to kill braves to eliminate other contenders and rise own odds to be chosen one. If we don't know her reasons, we can't judge her actions.

As for why she is suspicious of Adlet, it might be also because she is already suspected and pursued for being hero killer.... or any other reasons you mentioned. She did say she dislike humans after all.

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by zeando

never said otherwise, i'm aware of that
but i'm seeing only two options for novel readers in a public anime thread
1) pretending/playing dumb/lieing/and other badbad things
2) being spoiler dispensers and party poopers for any anime only watcher

Well, Zefyris already made a pretty long post without being spoileric, so it's possible to be here.

So
- I'm really surprised with that slow pace, but I have nothing against it. Well, I liked Hyouka, so just relax and let if flow slowly ~(｡◕‿‿◕｡)~
Especially that
- I enjoyed music
- way in which interactions between Adlet and Bunny pricess develop are superb
- Adlet face made for princess made me laugh
- It's really impossible to not like Nashetania, I have known her for being playful, cheerful, but it was made perfectly
- the animation of her power usage is great, especially carrot scene, also her "bunnyness" is over 9000, even her teeth were made appropriately for that
- well, monsters are not so great, but there are dying pretty fast so we don't see them for long.
- Goldof also is made well. I liked princess mimic when she was irritated by that subservience for her and she puffed her cheeks.

(looks like I'm praising studio job at facial expressions all the way)

Fremy, well, I was used to more "rough" face then animated, so I have to adapt to it.
- Gunpowder materializing from the air - looks good.

Originally Posted by zeando

even novel readers should still have things to speculate about, they just need to wait the right time to do it while not being spoilerific

At some point it may happen, indeed.

[Flower]

Originally Posted by zeando

never said otherwise, i'm aware of that
but I'm seeing only two options for novel readers in a public anime thread
1) pretending/playing dumb/lying/and other badbad things
2) being spoiler dispensers and party poopers for any anime only watcher
or there is the extra option
3) if novel readers see a question which they can answer with novel knowledge the most correct thing to do is not answering at all
(not in PMs, not in spoiler tags, not even saying "i can't answer that cause it would be a spoiler")

regardless about speculating, do all novel readers have a complete and total understanding of the novel work?
has the novel already answered all the possible questions?
(don't even try to answer in this thread, it's not a question which i want an answer for myself)
even novel readers should still have things to speculate about, they just need to wait the right time to do it while not being spoilerific

off to watch the episode

Let's be simple about this. There are two sides to it and, as the saying goes, it takes two to tango.

Yes - novel readers (of whom I am one) do, of course, have to be very careful with their words and such like. But at the same time people who have questions should also take care not to be an occasion for people to step out of line and head down the path for spoilers or the like.

Simply to ask - can someone pm me regarding ____ or ____? is not a problem. PM's are fine for such thing. They are private.

The issue is the thread itself. The thread is public. And unintentionally asking a leading question and having someone answer in the thread "this could go into spoiler territory" is plenty fine as far as I am concerned. Even so it might not be a bad idea for someone to ponder a little bit about their questions before posting them.

Content in the anime thread that is from the source material can be discussed (as everyone knows) with discretion if the material has already been shown in the anime, and even then it is encouraged to do so under clearly labelled spoiler tags.

If someone is dying to be spoiled they can check out other source threads (novel, manga or whatever) at their own risk, or go examine the source itself (if they cannot read jp and an eng tl or tl in another language exists).

That being said, I must say that on a personal level I am glad for the emphasis among some of the posters in here for keeping the spoiler material in the thread to a minimum. That is good. But lets not give off a too unfriendly vibe in the process, okay? Not "accusing" anyone of doing so ... just bringing it up.

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Flower

That being said, I must say that on a personal level I am glad for the emphasis among some of the posters in here for keeping the spoiler material in the thread to a minimum. That is good. But lets not give off a too unfriendly vibe in the process. Not "accusing" anyone of doing so ... just bringing it up.

Well, it looks the people who enjoyed that mystery story wants other to have the same.
I was surprised when I saw at forum of group which is translating it, that every LN have it's own thread on forum, except Rokka, which got one for every volume in order to prevent spoiling somebody.

Other personal note, I strongly recommend to not read any comment elsewhere too. Under one of episode 2 Youtube review somebody posted one name as a 7th, not exactly correct. That troll got a outrage festival under that post from angry people for destroying show. That was sad.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

Other personal note, I strongly recommend to not read any comment elsewhere too. Under one of episode 2 Youtube review somebody posted one name as a 7th, not exactly correct. That troll got a outrage festival under that post from angry people for destroying show. That was sad.

Saw that too. i suppose that was on episode 2 of chibi review~. It is to be noted that I talked with that user on the episode 1 chibi review, so I'm absolutely certain that this person not only hasn't read the novels, but doesn't even read spoilers about it so well. He's just faking knowing about it, no reason to care. Maybe he's correct and maybe he's not, but his guess are as good as anyone else~

But yeah, avoid certain place. Especially places that don't seem very moderated about spoilers like reddit, youtube and 2ch and the like. Best places to be spoiled in a matter of seconds. Of course, avoiding any LN thread is logical~

- well, monsters are not so great, but there are dying pretty fast so we don't see them for long.

That's actually the best monsters I've seen in a while in an anime though. No matter what peoples says about 3DCGI.

[Random Wanderer]

A lot of folks seem to be jumping on Nashetania for some reason, and I don't get it. I have yet to see any real evidence in the show that she is not genuine. Chill with your paranoia already.

I think a proper twist to this situation would be to have none of the seven turn out to be a traitor. The extra marked person turn out to not be working against the six in any way. And while they've been busy looking at each other, someone completely different turns out to be an enemy.

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by ookamigirl

Piena princess sure is an unusual one.
She and Adlet make a nice duo.
The story was kinda slow.
Just riding around and talking.
Things got a bit more interesting towards episode end.
Still can't decide whether to drop it or keep watching it.

But that's the best part! Hell the main leads chemistry reminded me of the leads in Spice and Wolf.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A lot of folks seem to be jumping on Nashetania for some reason, and I don't get it. I have yet to see any real evidence in the show that she is not genuine. Chill with your paranoia already.

I think a proper twist to this situation would be to have none of the seven turn out to be a traitor. The extra marked person turn out to not be working against the six in any way. And while they've been busy looking at each other, someone completely different turns out to be an enemy.

Really? I'm not surprised personally. She's the only one really introduced so far so she's the only one who had time to be "suspicious". That's pretty obvious. Just like a lot of peoples are theorising that Adlet is actually the seventh. And since we're following Adlet around, it's easier to suspect Nashetania. The weird reasons given are actually quite amusing. I'm wondering what kind of weird stuff peoples will find about other characters too x].

[zeando]

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

all the heroes have a speciality in something.. like fire magic, ice magic, sword, bow, knife, etc....
now, what is Adelt's speciality?

according to his training shouldn't he be the "demon slayer/hunter"?


episode 2

nashetania the food thieving princess xD
acting like a princess regardless of the place xD
and poor adlet, he's now officially the princess caretaker and treasurer

nashe really still wants a match with adlet to see who's the stronger
and seems to have a similar desire with the captain of the piena knights, goldof

she also seems to be good at acting
when nashe acted all lovely it looked a bit pushy to me, and adlet totally falling for that xD
but when she met goldof she acted so seriously, almost annoyed
just hope she isn't hiding other worse facets D:

oh, so in the previous generation one chosen got killed before meeting with the others
and that's one reason, but more did die in the previous generation
adlet really looks like an hunter of fiends

ohoh, first accusations are in
fremy is accused to be the one killing the other possible chosens
before had imagined there being the possibility of it being potential chosens trying to kill other candidates
but wonder if fremy was just defending herself, with adlet she looked pretty defensive

and who knows how goldof got that information, he doesn't seem to have met fremy before, just going about some description/information he got
but this accusation seems unrelated to the future "extra brave" case

interesting detail about the fiends attacking only humans
makes me think the fiends are tools following a scheme, and not just random killing with no reason

that building with the many columns got showed in both opening and ending, random guessing it has something to do with the mechanic of how the braves are chosen, how saints are created/assigned, or how the fiends are controlled

people complaining about this show being slow have no eyes..
(or have a different definition of "slow" than mine)
so many informations and things to speculate about, which is sweet for me

Originally Posted by zefyris

As expected, the info about saint being only woman and receiving a part of god power came naturally in this episode. I see no problem here.

yeah, the salt saint the bulky woman is now a confirmed reality
she even used something resembling knuckles, can't remove the image of a female armstrong now D:

[zeando]

doubleposting yeah, but it would become too long otherwise..

Originally Posted by Zefyris

You know what? I know a lot of peoples in those boards finds annoying 3dcgi. And also, they sure changed a lot the aspect of those Kyouma. But.
BUT I SERIOUSLY LIKE THE RESULT (and it fits the aztec setting too imo).

personally never had problems with 3dcgi, but liked those fiends too, they looked like animated statues

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

wow... so they showed Nashetania's weak side and inexperience at real battlefield..
I always thought she is a cheerful and easy-going princess but she actually think a lot

she did pretty fine in the second battle when she was alone, maybe it was just the emotion of the moment
...or she didn't want to drop the easy-going facade with adlet near
had already forgot about her horse, yeah it was just inexperience it seems

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

and I'm sure that Goldof won't be able to get along with Adelt

if he's the kind of "protect the purity of my mistress" type of knight i can see him too not being too pleased with adlet staying near her
but once they complete the group he'll have to relax a bit about that?

Originally Posted by Haak

The setting is still immersive as ever and it's managed to introduce quite a twist to hook me in further. Unfortunately I was kinda already spoiled on that twist but apparently it's part of the synopsis anyway so whatever. Not smart for them to put that in a synopsis imo.

are you talking about the "7 heroes when it's supposed to be only 6"? or something else?
if it's the first case, maybe it was never meant to be a surprise, but part of the introduction of what the story is about

anyway the brave killer and the intruder in the group is not certain to be the same person

Originally Posted by Hmm....

I don't suspect anyone. I feel all of them are too early. I also has a gist that every hero's introduction will be as suspicious as this lol.

yup, i want to see all the heroes grouped before starting suspecting someone

Originally Posted by PreSage

But then she did admit she's only acting this way now (i.e. early on their journey), so I'll give her some slack. But I still find that "playful" attack on Adlet an annoying antic and a bit of arrogance on her part at that time.

i did read that as an other attempt to test herself with adlet, she did mention before she really wanted to have a match with him
not reading more into it for now

Originally Posted by PreSage

Anyways, to other things, I was a bit surprised that Nashetanya insisted they move on and sacrifice the girl in the village.
Neither Femy (I'm assuming) nor Adlet turned their back on the situation.

that did look strange to me too, not very heroic

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by zeando

she did pretty fine in the second battle when she was alone, maybe it was just the emotion of the moment

Not that well. She let her horse die.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A lot of folks seem to be jumping on Nashetania for some reason, and I don't get it. I have yet to see any real evidence in the show that she is not genuine. Chill with your paranoia already.

I think a proper twist to this situation would be to have none of the seven turn out to be a traitor. The extra marked person turn out to not be working against the six in any way. And while they've been busy looking at each other, someone completely different turns out to be an enemy.

Or maybe there are seven of them because it's becoming more difficult to kill the Demon King and whoever chooses the party decided an extra pair of hands would be necessary. I mean, one hero was enough the first time, then six after that with progressively more losses... time for seven?

[Vocah]

I assume that Goldof knows what he is talking about and that Fremy IS the brave-killer... so, isn't it kinda ironic that she was chosen as one of the braves?

[Tenzen12]

Well, there are only two requirment to be choosen:
1)Be strong
2)Genuinely want defeat majin.

Details doesn't matter.