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2011-02-28, 19:17 | Link #22063 | ||
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Despite what this story constantly repeated over and over that there's no worth in knowing the truth, what we are actually being shown is that Ange instantly completely changed her attitude towards Battler and his game after she learned the truth (or after she thought she learned the truth). I mean... one sec she was all "I hate you oniichan" "this game is bullshit" and she was all suicidal and depressed. Then she learns the truth, it is apparently a horrible truth, so she screams she rages she falls in despair. Quite understandable, but hell if that wasn't a most incredibly fast recover! If you ask me what's the worth in knowing a very sad truth, I'd tell you that the worth in that is that after you cry you can settle with your past and move on. And I'm not expecting that to happen in the arc of a day or even a month. In case someone died, or even in case of broken heart I could even expect one year of despair. But then you can recover, that's the point. If you live in the uncertainty you can never despair and therefore you can never recover. shouldn't Beatrice know that better than anyone else?! Of course I'm not denying that what saved Ange was Battler's game. But I think it's apparent that a) Ange was obsessed. b) Her obsession ended as soon as she learned the truth. Meaningless? worthless? What the hell are you talking about?! The meaning of knowing the truth for Ange should be apparent. At least it is for me. Quote:
Also I don't see any widespread idea declaring the opposite except from Erika's side which isn't the winning side in the end and she's clearly representing a negative position, no matter what you say.
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2011-02-28, 19:33 | Link #22064 |
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If anything, Battler's view of Ange is that of a 6-year-old kid, not an 18-year-old adult. You could argue he's underestimating her ability to cope, and her resilience in general. She's fairly tough, all things considered, and she's had it pretty rough. Is it really worse to know that, say, her mom was a murderer, than it is for her classmates to suggest she was a murderer and Ange has no basis in fact to confirm or counter their accusations? Knowing her mom is innocent would allow her to fight back; knowing her mom is guilty would allow her to accept it and get over it.
It's the not knowing that leaves her helpless. I don't think Battler would have wanted that.
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2011-02-28, 19:38 | Link #22065 | |
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Magic is delusion, however it is a sweet delusion that does not fail no matter what truth brings about. At least, that's what I think the difference is. |
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2011-02-28, 19:42 | Link #22066 | |
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2011-02-28, 19:53 | Link #22067 | |
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Also in this case "trick" wasn't even something that bad. It was a sleight of hand, there's absolutely nothing negative about that. In fact "tejina" should be more properly translated as a "sleight of hand trick" and it has absolutely no negative connotation. At least not in the common usage of that word.
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2011-02-28, 20:05 | Link #22068 |
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Oh, I was thinking about the fight between Erika and Maria when I wrote that definition. Seriously, the chick broke down, so I thought "trick" had a negative connotation to it in this case. Sorry.
To be on topic, A trick can also be a lie, can't it? I'm sure there's a difference between someone doing a magic trick and someone tricking you into believing that that magic was real. |
2011-02-28, 20:10 | Link #22069 |
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Well yeah I'm not denying that a trick, even sleight of hand, can be seen as a deceit.
But if someone performs a sleight of hand the deceit is from the one who performs it, not from the one who states that it was a sleight of hand. At the end of EP8 the reader must make a choice in place of Ange. He must either choose between stating that Beatrice's trick was made through magic or a sleight of hand. What I meant to say is that answering "sleight of hand" equals to stating the truth (and there's no doubt about it). So the choice is between stating the truth or "accepting" magic. The parallelism with EP6 trick with the cup however is evident. It's a pretty similar trick. The only difference is that in Maria's case there was a kid involved. Ange is 18 years old.
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2011-02-28, 20:28 | Link #22071 | |
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Well, and sorry for being lost up until now, that sort of makes the choice redundant? Any person who wants a clear answer would obvously pick "Trick," so why have that as an option? I assume it some sort of "the truth hurts, and it might be cruel to listen to" type jazz. |
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2011-02-28, 20:41 | Link #22073 | |
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Though Tohya is 30, so I guess the +/- 6 years thing breaks down eventually. EDIT: And I been saying "Our" Battler isn't "The" Battler all along! ...didn't expect him to be a crippled amnesiac though. Are there any substantial differences in the way Battler behaves in his ep8 game that would suggest his personality to be more in line with the way he "really" was at 18?
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2011-02-28, 20:55 | Link #22076 | ||
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Eva: "Ah, by the way, how's your little Ange-chan doing?`@` I heard she was vomiting?"`@"
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2011-02-28, 21:13 | Link #22079 |
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It's just, there's a pile of little things that would point in that direction.
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2011-02-28, 21:13 | Link #22080 |
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The only mentions I know of are two, one is from the EP1 airport the other is an indirect mentions from EP2 when Kyrie says to Rosa (or the other way around) that they are both mothers of a young girl.
Of course there are mentions on later episodes but those weren't written by Beatrice.
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