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That's what creates our good luck and bad luck. Our "test" is less severe if w/o direct appearance of God, for it originates from the understanding the we are "less-equipped". I hope many of you will realize the broad idea of "reality" and how seeing does not always constitute fact. (vice versa.)
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I present Joan of Arc .... she thought God spoke to her, the authorities agreed when it was convenient and then burned her at the stake when it was not.
Later they made her a saint but fat lot of good that did her after being toasted by them.
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And considering the prevalence of religion in the world, I'd question the pertinence of putting the 0 on agnosticism, but whatever. |
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Yes, there is something worse than the other, but that's common worldly tendency. But my main original point was, I don't know if your faith has a greater positive than mine but I "believe" mine is greater than everything else(every other faith)----no offense, its the proper "unreasonable" idealist views of mine which includes my religion being the truest. Not saying a fact, just a belief similar to belief in God. |
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Anything that you can label (Agnosticism, Atheism, Buddhism, Islam, Catholicism, etc.) has a set of beliefs that accompany it. Be they clearly defined, or open to interpretation, they still carry with them that set of beliefs. As a side note, Atheism is an absolute non-belief in God, whereas Agnosticism is a belief in the possibility of God, should someone be able to present proof with merit. As such, Atheism would fall below Agnosticism on the 0-100 scale, according to your reasoning, as Agnosticism affords religion some territory of leniency, where Atheism does not.
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That's putting far too much thought into the term. Hunter-gatherers don't believe in surviving, they just do what is necessary to survive. There's no set of belief structures associated with being a hunter-gatherer, to which someone may align themselves. In a sense, there's no way for a person to stand up and say "I am a hunter-gatherer, and this is what I believe!" You simply hunt and gather, and live for one more day.
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I recall a documentary I saw a few years ago, on a pack of hyenas being tracked by a team of scientists. This particular pack was not so large, a mere 4 animals. One of them, a female, had asserted dominance over the rest. She would be vicious and harmful to the other three. When they would go out hunting, she would sit in the background, waiting for the others to bring back the catch. Upon returning, she would scare the other three away until she had eaten her fill, then leave the scraps for them. This went on for about two weeks, until the other 3 hyenas revolted, practically killed the aggressive female, and left her to die. Those three headed off to join another pack of hyenas, while the aggressive female was left alone with no way to defend herself, or perpetuate her survival (she had massive external injuries, and sufficient internal bleeding to eventually cause her death). She did no work, she was inevitably excluded from the reward. So it goes with a hunter-gatherer society. You don't want to survive, fine. You don't get to have any of the necessities that would be required to continue your survival. Belief, again, does not factor in to it.
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I don't really know how to answer that. Reality is what we live in on a daily basis. When you open your door and walk outside in the morning, when you eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, when you shower and get ready for work, when you're at work; it's all reality. If you want to get into a philosophical discussion about the foundation of reality versus the reality of dreams, or something of the like, that's a completely separate issue. Again, it has no bearing on the example at hand.
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How is perception reality until proven otherwise? |
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Ok, some thought on the previous page.
About free will... it can never be entirely free. You need to choose between a certain number of choices. You can't do anything you want and therefore you don't have infinite possibilities to do something. If you are rich, fanatized or very aware of a subject you can have a lot more options but still not infinite. Also, even choosing the best of all options you have before you, you still are not exactly free. You still choose based on your needs and desires. You are a slave to your needs that dictate your course. So, no free will not even there. By the way, a Hindu philosopher had a great catchphrase about this. "There is not such thing as free will. It is made of two words that contradict one another". ...And in a way he is damn right. If you want something you are not really free. As for reality... since we do not have linked minds, there is no way to know if each one perceives reality in a different manner. Also, our senses are generally very weak as we see very few colors and hear very few sounds of the spectrum. It has to do with the frequency and the wave length of light and sound waves. For example, when we see the rainbow, we only see the visible colors to us. A cat would see a lot more colors and a lot bigger rainbow. A being with perfect eyesight would not see an ark. He would see a full circle. |
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