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Not saying that's what Shkanon is, but it's possible. It could also be George and Jessica too you know. The person representing the trap doesn't really have to be one. And I'd think they'd be the two with a whydunnit.
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2010-07-05, 18:42 | Link #2242 | |
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I don't want to go back there, but let it be known that I refuse to acknowledge that such a statement is true. @Judoh That quote from Hitler is a well known fake. You have no fault for that because sadly it's been spread too much. But it's nonetheless something that Hitler never said.
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2010-07-05, 18:43 | Link #2243 | |
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I wouldn't take his explicitly declared hints too seriously, no matter how big they are -- if it doesn't fit, it still doesn't fit if Ryukishi himself said it's a hint!
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2010-07-05, 18:45 | Link #2244 | |
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Anyway, I "trust" the author not to write an absolutely boneheaded plot point in, which is why I am "trusting" him to be lying with a purpose in spreading this information and trying to figure out where he's really going with this. It's equally possible he's just incapable of writing a satisfactory conclusion and that every Shkanon theory, in all its baffling irrelevance, is right about... whatever it is they claim it to mean but refuse to tell me directly every time I ask them.
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2010-07-05, 18:45 | Link #2245 | |
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Why the only servants that have a locus in the real world are Shannon and Kanon, when the metaparts of Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo are shown? Can't it be because Shannon and Kanon are in the center part of the story ( they are mixed with the cousins deeper than anyone ) and nearest to Battler? That "so near but so confusing" always looked suspicious but not strictly related to the Culprit activities... |
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2010-07-05, 18:47 | Link #2246 |
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You aren't, because, while he indeed said something to this effect, this is not a quote. That phrasing belongs to one Richard Jay Belzer, ...a comedian.
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2010-07-05, 18:49 | Link #2247 | |
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I have a good question, why does everyone believe that if Shkanontrice was proven to be true it would result in that person being the culprit? I can't see any other reason why people would think this hint to be 'big'. I do think it is a bit obvious but we are 3/4ths our way to the end, so that isn't completely unexpected.
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2010-07-05, 18:51 | Link #2249 | |
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WOULD FIT WHAT!?
It "fits" a problem it created itself. It has no value! Quote:
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2010-07-05, 18:52 | Link #2250 | |
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@ Jan-Poo & Oliver: it doesn't really matter what the source is does it? As long as the message is the same.
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2010-07-05, 18:54 | Link #2252 |
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I wouldn't call that "trust" I would call that the very definition of "distrust".
When you distrust someone it doesn't mean you think they'll do something at random, it means you firmly believe they will do something contrary to what a trusted person would do.
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2010-07-05, 18:56 | Link #2254 |
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The fundamental existence of the unreliable narrator in fiction proves that an author can be trusted, as the writer, to provide a perspective he or she explicitly expects us to distrust. It doesn't mean the writer is lying. The writer is lying when something breaks or flatly contradicts in a situation not set up for that eventuality. And even then, some would argue an author is never lying, even when his work is full of contradictions.
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2010-07-05, 18:56 | Link #2255 |
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I'm still of the opinion that the Meta characters don't really represent anybody on the game board. I mean it's not like we learn anything new about them from their counterparts that we didn't know before they appeared. Zepar and Fufur should be no different.
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2010-07-05, 18:57 | Link #2256 |
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The hints given to us?
Now, giving us the reason to Shkanon's relevance might be too early. I think that giving us Shkanon would make people reread the story through a different perspective. So, while it may or may not be the most relevant hint to finding the culprit, it may give people a different opinion on how the murders were done. Anyways, it is useless debating how truthful Ryukishi07 was at this point. He will show us himself, for sure in about... 6ish months.
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2010-07-05, 19:00 | Link #2257 |
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How do you see this scenario:
Jessica loved Battler. Battler told Shannon that his perfect match would be a girl LIKE Jessica, but not her. Shannon tells that to Jessica. Jessica wants to become like Beatrice, and asks Kumasawa/Virgilia to teach her magic. Jessica is the only one who can be a witch in front of Maria, since they spend a lot of time together, that would explain why Maria KNOWS PERFECTLY Beatrice. When Jessica learn that Battler would return, asks Shannon to create "Kanon", to fake an unrequainted love. ( that would hide her love for Battler, like Beato ) That would explain also why Beato liked to troll Kanon.. since "he doesn't exist" and he can "disappear easily". ... the rest should come naturally.. |
2010-07-05, 19:01 | Link #2258 | |
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Let me break this down for you:
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By other hands id you define someone as untrustworthy you usually do not imply anything good. Quote:
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Beatrice's purpose was to create the perfect mystery novel story In order to create the story she needed a very dirty trick The trick she came up with is shkanon, or rather the use of fake personality to give the illusion that the number of people in the island is higher than what it actually is. See, shkanon it's not the problem, it's the solution.
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2010-07-05, 19:09 | Link #2260 | |
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we know that the first game is the one less affected by magic, and should be the one where the truth is most evident. We can't be sure that the other games don't have the same whydunnit, just a different howdunnit. If we fix the knowledge we acquired, shouldn't we be able to crack the 1st game open? just an hypotesis, of course. |
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