Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by keroko

Do you think it's possible for Keroko's personal stigma to be less?

In my view, not likely. That would require her to be exposed to an environment where guns are acceptable and liking it, she's never been there before. Consider, since childhood, she's been living in a society that tells their kids to stay away from the big bad guns, if they even bother telling them what guns are. After learning of magic, she's been working for and eventually living in another civilization that groups guns with WMDs and banned the whole lot. If anything, she would be even more weary of guns than the average Mid-childan.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I'm sorry I can't really participate now. I have Finals coming.

But anyway, here's a special service pic from Nighty and Lowe... Which killed me twice in IRC.@_@

Spoiler for Aaron BUREKAAAHHH!!!!:

Hayate: Otou-san!!!

Aurion: Quit calling me that!

*RUNS LIKE HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!*

:3

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Watch this clip for what I'm trying to get at:

Spoiler:

Could you spoiler them next time? Youtubes make my tabed browsing slow.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

In that case, his spelling is atrocious...and so's yours.

That was uncalled for, Reiji.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

That doesn't mean he's a prophet - just a very good psychologist and judge of people.

Would you call Light a prophet? No.

He predicted the arival of an alien crystal and the arival of the race that planted said crystal on earth years before it happened. Hell, even the alien race in question seems to have interest in him!

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

And how could I NOT use Janeway? She's all kinds of awesome!

True, true. I rather like Sisko myself, though.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

In my view, not likely. That would require her to be exposed to an environment where guns are acceptable and liking it, she's never been there before. Consider, since childhood, she's been living in a society that tells their kids to stay away from the big bad guns, if they even bother telling them what guns are. After learning of magic, she's been working for and eventually living in another civilization that groups guns with WMDs and banned the whole lot.

Hmm, that certainly is true. Keroko hasn't really been exposed to such situations in her childhood (violence, yes. Guns, no.) However, there have been missions in Rogue Squadron that forced her to at least carry mass-based weaponry in order to go around unnoticed.

Though...

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

If anything, she would be even more weary of guns than the average Mid-childan.

This I disagree with. She may have been raised in a society that tells kids to stay away from guns, but that's also a society that says that guns are for people like police, and have things like games where you can wield virtual weaponry. To say that Keroko's stigma against guns is worse then the average Mid-Childan (who are taught that guns are evil from birth) is rather stressing.

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by keroko

To say that Keroko's stigma against guns is worse then the average Mid-Childan (who are taught that guns are evil from birth) is rather stressing.

Perhaps you're right on this part. My way of thinking of it was as follows. Mid's ban on conventional weapons is at least 75 years old. That's over 2 generations ago. There's almost no one left who has direct experience with those things. To the presently living, guns are an abstract danger.
Someone from Earth however, can see guns kill. She can see it in the news, even without firsthand experience. To her, guns are a concrete danger.
Maybe I was thinking about it the wrong way.

On the other hand...

However, there have been missions in Rogue Squadron that forced her to at least carry mass-based weaponry in order to go around unnoticed.

Firsthand experience with those things might change her opinion of them. But if it had, she should have responded differently in Kagerou's scene.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Perhaps you're right on this part. My way of thinking of it was as follows. Mid's ban on conventional weapons is at least 75 years old. That's over 2 generations ago. There's almost no one left who has direct experience with those things. To the presently living, guns are an abstract danger.
Someone from Earth however, can see guns kill. She can see it in the news, even without firsthand experience. To her, guns are a concrete danger.
Maybe I was thinking about it the wrong way.

On the other hand...

Well, the thinking isn't wrong. I am sure that there are people who think like that, the main problem is that it -in my opinion- depends on the person in question. Keroko in this case has seen guns in the news, she knows they exists, she knows the basics of how they work (as far as 'pull the triger' counts as knowing) and has gotten used to the existence of guns, so she doesn't have the level of fear Yuuno had.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Firsthand experience with those things might change her opinion of them. But if it had, she should have responded differently in Kagerou's scene.

Something along the lines of "I've carried a gun before on missions, though I've never actually used them." then?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Kagerou

Spoiler for MSLN Alpha Episode 3 Scene III:

*snip*

:3

Yuunko :3. I take it we'll be seeing more, right? So the spawn are heading for Terra, huh? This should be interesting...

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I'm sorry I can't really participate now. I have Finals coming.

But anyway, here's a special service pic from Nighty and Lowe... Which killed me twice in IRC.@_@

Spoiler for Aaron BUREKAAAHHH!!!!:

Hayate: Otou-san!!!

Aurion: Quit calling me that!

*RUNS LIKE HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!*

Originally Posted by Keroko

He predicted the arival of an alien crystal and the arival of the race that planted said crystal on earth years before it happened. Hell, even the alien race in question seems to have interest in him!

The Scrin did have him already in their data-base so there's definitely more to Kane than we know now...a lot more...

[PhoenixG]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I'm sorry I can't really participate now. I have Finals coming.

But anyway, here's a special service pic from Nighty and Lowe... Which killed me twice in IRC.@_@

Spoiler for Aaron BUREKAAAHHH!!!!:

Hayate: Otou-san!!!

Aurion: Quit calling me that!

*RUNS LIKE HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!*

And I thought you was against to be posted in the thread.... :3

[Wibbles]

A scene with Hikaru and Doppelganger- you guys remember them, right?

Spoiler for Size:

Hikaru could feel the migraine coming. Out of all the stupid things his errant device had done since it was activated, this was by far the stupidest and most inane.
“So… you’re telling me that the reason you can’t make anymore copy chips… is because you used up all of your internal memory….” Hikaru paused and massaged the sides of his now aching head. The whole thing was just so incredibly stupid. “To download porn?”
Dopp made a noise, and Hikaru imagined that if his device had a head, it would be nodding. “Do you want to take a look?”
Hikaru twitched. After he finished his first errand, he would check to see if Shamal had any cures for pounding migraines.

A half hour later….

Shari adjusted her glasses. “Did I hear you correctly, Von Lieben-kun?”
The boy in front of her nodded, a tight-lipped smile on his face. “That’s right. I want a full deletion. Don’t leave any data behind. The AI, the combat and transformation, the planner- erase them all, please.”
The device on the desk squawked indignantly. “You can’t do this! I refuse! This violates all sorts of human rights! I demand a lawyer!“

[Kagerou]

Originally Posted by Kha

Keroko is WIN.

Keroko is always win .

Originally Posted by Kha

Funny how nowadays I'm doing fanfiction of fanfiction...

It's okay. That's how Goose became so prolific. He started writing fanfiction of my fanficion.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Granted that. The OFM and the RAF are two sides of the same coin: TSAB's answer to dealing with matters important to them that involve other cultures. The RAF is the public face, though, while the OFM is much less so...

I could easily argue the opposite: Arcas, the 82nd, and the RAF have seen and fought against things the OFM wouldn't dream of either.

lol talking in circles.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Quick Question: The Spawn are vulnerable to fire, yes? 'Cause otherwise, the 82nd wouldn't have any really effective weapons to use against them - and I know that you've mentioned that they're fighting the Spawn.

Spawn are vulnerable to fire, yes. Makes fire magic very useful.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Something along the lines of "I've carried a gun before on missions, though I've never actually used them." then?

Funny things happen from when you look at things from a decidedly American perspective . It's not my fault public schools don't teach anything about other cultures (I mean, seriously, we should at least learn how the Brits lived; hell, I had to take a dedicated Latin class just to learn how Romans lived! Romans!).

Anyway, will change the scene slightly as Keroko-kun noted above :3.

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Yuunko :3. I take it we'll be seeing more, right? So the spawn are heading for Terra, huh? This should be interesting...

It'll be fun. Kiss New York goodbye :3 (not really).

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Kagerou

It's okay. That's how Goose became so prolific. He started writing fanfiction of my fanficion.

To each their own :3

Originally Posted by Kagerou

Spawn are vulnerable to fire, yes. Makes fire magic very useful.

[Firebat]Wanna turn up the heat?[/Firebat]

Originally Posted by Kagerou

It'll be fun. Kiss New York goodbye :3 (not really).

Just leave Hawaii alone otherwise Shamsel might have to pwn some Spawn

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Kagerou

Spawn are vulnerable to fire, yes. Makes fire magic very useful.

Signum will have a field day.

[Reiji Tabibito]

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

I'm sorry I can't really participate now. I have Finals coming.

But anyway, here's a special service pic from Nighty and Lowe... Which killed me twice in IRC.@_@

Spoiler for Aaron BUREKAAAHHH!!!!:

Hayate: Otou-san!!!

Aurion: Quit calling me that!

*RUNS LIKE HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!*

SAVE!

SAVE!!

SAVE!!!

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!!


...BTW, don't let any of the 82nd hear that...

Mel: Congratulations, hakase, it's a girl!

...and since does Aurion wear PINK?!

Originally Posted by Keroko

Could you spoiler them next time? Youtubes make my tabed browsing slow.

Sorry, didn't know that.

Originally Posted by Keroko

That was uncalled for, Reiji.

About his spelling, okay. About Kane's...<laughs>

Originally Posted by Keroko

He predicted the arival of an alien crystal and the arival of the race that planted said crystal on earth years before it happened. Hell, even the alien race in question seems to have interest in him!

That crystal (I assume you're referring to the Tacitus) had a warning uploaded into it about the Scrin.

And anyone with half a brain could've figured out that the Scrin would come looking for it:

"Oh yes, we've got an alien crystal with a shitload of useful information here, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they're looking for it and want it back."

Originally Posted by Keroko

True, true. I rather like Sisko myself, though.

Ehh...Sisko's only a so-so captain for me. He's better than some, but he's not in my top three list.

Originally Posted by Kagerou

lol talking in circles.

In a word, YAH!

Originally Posted by Kagerou

Spawn are vulnerable to fire, yes. Makes fire magic very useful.

Okay, good. So they do have some offensive potential...

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

...BTW, don't let any of the 82nd hear that...

Mel: Congratulations, hakase, it's a girl!

...and since does Aurion wear PINK?!

It's Aurion he does things out of the norm.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

That crystal (I assume you're referring to the Tacitus) had a warning uploaded into it about the Scrin.

And anyone with half a brain could've figured out that the Scrin would come looking for it:

"Oh yes, we've got an alien crystal with a shitload of useful information here, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they're looking for it and want it back."

I meant Tiberium (if it was the Tacitus I would've said 'alien database'). Kane predicted the arival of Tiberium and the arival of the Scrin years before Tiberium even landed on earth. Heck, he was the one who named the damn stuff Tiberium, naming it after Tiberius Ceasar.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Keroko

It's Aurion he does things out of the norm.

True...

Originally Posted by Keroko

I meant Tiberium (if it was the Tacitus I would've said 'alien database'). Kane predicted the arival of Tiberium and the arival of the Scrin years before Tiberium even landed on earth. Heck, he was the one who named the damn stuff Tiberium, naming it after Tiberius Ceasar.

As shown at the end of the Soviet campaign of Red Alert . Plus he knew how to trigger the pre-mature arrival of the Scrin.

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And SC will be getting more COW BELL

[SpaceBrotha]

Originally Posted by Keroko

It's Aurion he does things out of the norm.

And only real men wear pink.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by SpaceBrotha

And only real men wear pink.

Donut: Look at it, it's not pink. It's like, uhhh, a lightish-red.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Donut: Look at it, it's not pink. It's like, uhhh, a lightish-red.

Men In Pink

[Reiji Tabibito]

Originally Posted by Keroko

It's Aurion he does things out of the norm.

Still, PINK?!

Why not BURNT UMBER, or some other intermediate color first?

Originally Posted by Keroko

I meant Tiberium (if it was the Tacitus I would've said 'alien database'). Kane predicted the arival of Tiberium and the arival of the Scrin years before Tiberium even landed on earth. Heck, he was the one who named the damn stuff Tiberium, naming it after Tiberius Ceasar.

About the arrival of Tiberium and the Scrin, show me where.

About him naming Tiberium, the only source of that is straight from Kane's own mouth, and he could very damn well be lying about it.

As a rule, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's mouth unless there's proof (or damn good hypothesis, founded on current evidence) of it.

Do we have either in this case? No. All we have is Kane's word, and I'm not about to take the word of a hairless sociopath who not only REFERS TO HIMSELF as a messiah, but actively encourages it.

Would YOU take the word of Charles Manson?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

About the arrival of Tiberium and the Scrin, show me where.

About him naming Tiberium, the only source of that is straight from Kane's own mouth, and he could very damn well be lying about it.

As a rule, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's mouth unless there's proof (or damn good hypothesis, founded on current evidence) of it.

Do we have either in this case? No. All we have is Kane's word, and I'm not about to take the word of a hairless sociopath who not only REFERS TO HIMSELF as a messiah, but actively encourages it.

Would YOU take the word of Charles Manson?

Note this ending, from 4:40 on

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Don's card:




Off to work with me.

EDIT: And before anyone asks. Yes, I know I have a Don Martin, and a Martin.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Still, PINK?!

Why not BURNT UMBER, or some other intermediate color first?

Cause its pink. :3

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

About the arrival of Tiberium and the Scrin, show me where.

Played Tiberium Wars recently?

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

About him naming Tiberium, the only source of that is straight from Kane's own mouth, and he could very damn well be lying about it.

It is supported by the fact that NOD were the first to be able to harvest and utilize Tiberium, showing that they had a far greather knowldege over the green crystal then their, and this is important, technologically more advanced GDI counterpart, which also fielded their 'expert' that failed to produce results.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

As a rule, I don't believe anything that comes out of anyone's mouth unless there's proof (or damn good hypothesis, founded on current evidence) of it.

Do we have either in this case? No. All we have is Kane's word, and I'm not about to take the word of a hairless sociopath who not only REFERS TO HIMSELF as a messiah, but actively encourages it.

Kane is far more then a normal sociopath. He has lived longer then normal humans do, has not aged, survived a direct hit of an Ion Cannon, assasinaions, and even the Scrin have data on him. Concidering they were in hibernation untill Kane (surprise, surprise) sent out a signal flare for them, they couldn't have gathered that information during any of the three Tiberium Wars. Hence, they knew of him before, now I don't know about you, but that starts to set of alarm bells in my mind.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Don's card:




Off to work with me.

EDIT: And before anyone asks. Yes, I know I have a Don Martin, and a Martin.

"I solve problems."

Engineer, wonderfull class. A shame they never finished the rest of the CG's for the other classes.