Playstation 4

[blakstealth]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Yes, the Slim Leak is on August. And?
Like I said, I am not interested in Pro, so that is out of consideration from the very beginning. Which I am very that glad I did, as the FF15 pre-order war was already messy from the beginning. (BTW, I lost the said pre-order war).
So only the Slim concerns me. But please recall how early did the P5 pre-order started? So it is my fault now that I didn't anticipate on a Slim leak all those months ago?
And I actually paid attention to P5's perordering until the end of August, where no changes occurred. While FF15 had another delayed (and the rumor on additional changes to be done to match the new model), which made me believe all the PS4 new model release will be all be matching with FF15 instead.

You tell me this is not out of Left Field?

Not to mention I also need the console to started on Tokyo Xanadu too, which is arriving tomorrow.

Sony did the same with the Ps3 Slim.

Bunch of rumors months before release. Announced in August 2009. Released in September 2009.

This should be a lesson to not buy any consoles until the holiday season if they really cared.

Originally Posted by felix

Technically the PS4phat is slightly better then slim in some regards.

• PS4phat has better design, PS4slim is just very slightly smaller but almost everyone I heard says it's cheaper looking with it's rounded edges and such. In all the presentations to me it looks worse.
• The wifi networking is slightly better on the slim but not by much.
  phat: 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi (2.4GHz only), Bluetooth 2.1
  slim: 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0
  I guess this affects wireless controllers the most.
• Only the PS4phat (and pro) has optical audio output.
• Slim takes slightly less power.
• Slim has easy access for hdd replacement but pretty sure it's just that.. "easier"

The new Ps4 and the Ps4 Pro having bluetooth 4.0 and 802.11ac is great. Lack of optical output and design aside, the slim is objectively better.

[Kyero Fox]

WHAT THE HELL SONY!?

NOT ALLOWING MODS ON SKYRIM or FALLOUT4!?

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

WHAT THE HELL SONY!?

NOT ALLOWING MODS ON SKYRIM or FALLOUT4!?

More like: "What the hell Bethesda, you promised mods and now don't want to deliver on top of being the only developer that barely knows how to code for the Playstation... somehow" (it's made worse knowing that GTA 5 exists and is bigger and does a lot more while running great). Also, we still have yet to hear Sony’s side, stuff like this doesn't happen just because and if you read their statement properly it sounds more like Bethesda is throwing a hissy fit and acting childish while pointing fingers, statement like these have to be done in conjunction with whoever your partner is so that the full story could be known. I'm not defending Sony just saying wait until we know both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions.

For example, we just had this happen:

Sony is planning to patch in 4K HDR support for some PS4 games to coincide with the PS4 Pro launch in November. An interview suggested that some graphical upgrade patches might require payment, but Sony has confirmed to multiple sources that is not the case.

The rolling out of new info about a new piece of technology can be complicated, as there are a lot of moving parts that any given spokesperson needs to communicate. That led to some misinformation earlier this morning, when the Japanese website Game Watch Impress asked Sony Interactive’s Masayasu Ito about whether third-party publishers might charge to patch the 4K HDR feature into existing PS4 titles. The answer indicated that it would be “different for each title.” Sony has since confirmed that is not the case; all patches that add 4K HDR support will be free.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...lier-info.aspx


So again, just wait until we have more information.

[felix]

Hm. Developer that's known to be incompetent when it comes to putting up a not-broken product vs console company who both didn't even have it's say in the matter and also has an interest in keeping your console in the desirable by some "not-bricked" state (not to mention it would be more then happy to get a new sales pitch). Don't know if I'm necessarily on Sony's side on this, but I sure as hell couldn't give a shit about bethesda's gun-ho philosophy.

[Chosen_Hero]

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Spoiler for Basic Questions:

Q: What is PS4 Pro?

PS4 Pro is a high-end version of PS4 that is capable of outputting 4K graphics, HDR support, smoother and more stable framerates, and 4K video streaming. Upon its launch, PS4 Pro will make supported PS4 games look better and run more smoothly, while giving developers an upgraded toolset to create even richer, more detailed game worlds. How these powerful new tools are used is up to individual developers and the experience they are creating. You may have seen some of these examples during PlayStation Meeting 2016.

It’s important to note that PS4 Pro is not another generation of console. It won’t make your current PS4 games obsolete, and it won’t split the PS4 player base. PS4 Pro is very much a part of the PS4 family.

Q: When will PS4 Pro be available, where, and for how much?

PS4 Pro will launch in the US and Canada on November 10 for a suggested retail price of $399.99 USD ($499.99 CAD).

Q: Will PS4 Pro have separate or exclusive games?

There will not be any PS4 Pro-exclusive games. Because PS4 Pro and the standard PS4 are members of the same family, both systems will be fully compatible with all past, present, and future PS4 titles, including PlayStation VR. All PS4 games are PS4 Pro games, and vice-versa.

Following PS4 Pro’s launch on November 10 in North America, virtually all new PS4 game releases moving forward will be able to take advantage of PS4 Pro capabilities on day one, or in some cases shortly after launch via a downloadable update. Some titles previously released will be updated to take advantage of PS4 Pro features, including Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End, The Last of Us Remastered, Infamous Second Son First Light, Shadow of Mordor, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and more.

Q: Will all PS4 games be compatible with PS4 Pro?

Yes, all existing PS4 games are fully compatible with PS4 Pro. Developers are able to add PS4 Pro enhancements to previously released PS4 games via a downloadable update if they choose to.

Q: Will I need to pay to update my existing PS4 game with new PS4 Pro features?

A: While nothing specifically prevents publishers and developers from this, we don’t anticipate it at this time. Software updates enabling PS4 Pro features on any existing first-party title (such as inFamous First Light or Uncharted 4) will be free.

Q: Will SIE continue to sell and support the standard PS4?

Yes. PS4 Pro is an evolution of the PS4 generation platform, which will continue to include the standard PS4 system. PS4 Pro was designed for gamers who want to be at the forefront of gaming innovation. Whether you decide to purchase the new system or continue playing on the standard PS4 system, you’ll enjoy the same games that make PlayStation the best place to play.

Q: Will PS4 Pro require a 4K TV?

No. PS4 Pro can display much higher resolutions than the standard PS4 when using a 4K TV. But if you own an HDTV (720p, 1080i, 1080p), PS4 Pro can still improve your gaming experience.

Q: What benefits does PS4 Pro provide when played on a non-4K HDTV?

PS4 Pro offers benefits even if you play on a HDTV that isn’t 4K. Depending on how the developer chooses to use the increased processing power, games with PS4 Pro support are able to render higher or more consistent framerates, increased environmental and character model detail, improved overall visual quality, and other related visual enhancements. For a look at how games are using the power of PS4 Pro, watch some of the first game footage on our YouTube page.

Additionally, PS4 games that render below native 1080p (maximum quality for HD TVs) on the standard PS4 can be elevated to render at full native 1080p on an HDTV.

Q: What resolutions does PS4 Pro support?

On 4K TVs, games are capable of running at up to 4K (3840 x 2160 pixels, also known as “2160p”) resolution. On HDTVs, games will run at 1080p.

Q: Will PS4 Pro be compatible with my existing PS4 downloaded games, saved data, and PlayStation Network Friend lists?

Yes. PS4 Pro exists in the same digital ecosystem as the standard PS4 in all regards; two PS4 console systems, one PlayStation Network, one PS4 community. This means you can start playing a game on your PS4 Pro, upload the saved data to online storage using PS Plus (sold separately), and pick up your progress on a standard PS4 in another room. It also means that all content and saved data that you already own on PS4 are fully compatible with PS4 Pro on day one.

Q: What if I already own a standard PS4? Is there an easy way to transfer my games, saved data, and Share captured content from a standard PS4 to PS4 Pro?

Yes. You will be able to copy your games, saved data, captured videos and screenshots, system settings, and other content from a standard PS4 to PS4 Pro using a standard Ethernet cable. This process will also work from standard PS4 to standard PS4, PS4 Pro to standard PS4, and PS4 Pro to PS4 Pro provided that both units have system software update 4.00 or higher installed, and the same PSN account is signed into both systems.

Alternatively, you can log-into PSN with your PS4 Pro, access your games and content library, and re-download your previously purchased games and content. Of course, your saved data in online storage will transfer as well.

Q: Will the PS4 Pro system introduce any improvements to DUALSHOCK 4?
The latest version of DUALSHOCK 4 will be included with PS4 Pro, as well as the new slimmer standard PS4. But it does not introduce any significant new functionality. The new DUALSHOCK 4 allows the light from the light bar to emit on the touch pad, making a new luminous line that illuminates in the same color as that of the light bar. It also supports USB communication in addition to Bluetooth communication. Existing DUALSHOCK 4 controllers going back to the launch of PS4 are fully supported on PS4 Pro; the updated DUALSHOCK 4 will, in turn, be fully supported by every PS4 model.

Spoiler for Technical Specifications:

Q: How does PS4 Pro compare to the standard PS4?

PS4 Pro is significantly more powerful than the standard PS4 model. PS4 Pro’s advanced graphics processor unit incorporates many features from AMD’s latest “Polaris” architecture, as well as some fully custom hardware innovations, and is considerably more powerful than the GPU included in the standard PS4.

All in all, this increase in processing power enables developers to tap into far more demanding visual features for PS4 Pro owners, including smoother or more stable framerates, support for 4K rendering, advanced graphics features, and more.

Q: What video output settings does PS4 Pro support?

At launch, PS4 Pro supports all of the HD video output settings found on the standard PS4. Notably, PS4 Pro introduces 4K output, with settings for both 2160p YUV420 and 2160p RGB (recommended if your TV supports it) at up to 60 frames per second when using a supported 4K TV and Premium HDMI (aka HDMI 2.0) cable.

Q: Does PS4 Pro support High Dynamic Range (HDR)?

Yes, PS4 Pro is fully compatible with the HDR10 specification at launch. HDR10 is a widely supported HDR format embraced by major entertainment companies.

Q: What is HDR?

High Dynamic Range, or HDR, is an emerging display standard that allows for massively increased color depth and greater contrast compared to Standard Dynamic Range, the decades-old specification currently employed by traditional HDTVs. In general, HDR-enabled content played on an HDR-compatible TV produces a noticeably fuller, richer image, that’s closer to what the eye naturally sees. That means much deeper black levels that retain finer details; brighter, more dazzling highlights; and a much wider color spectrum than is possible on older HDTV technology.

It’s actually impossible to demonstrate the true benefits of HDR technology here because you need an HDR-enabled screen and content to experience it. You can, however, watch this video from Sony that shows some simulated before-and-after scenes.

Q: Will PS4 Pro include support for Dolby Vision HDR?

There are currently no plans to support Dolby Vision.

Q: Does PS4 Pro require any specialized equipment?

Only if you want to experience 4K and HDR. Otherwise, no. Like the standard PS4, PS4 Pro fully supports existing HD TVs (720p / 1080i / 1080p). PS4 Pro can also output a 4K signal on supported 4K TVs when using a Premium HDMI cable (one will be included with PS4 Pro). To enjoy HDR features, you’ll need an HDTV that’s compatible with the HDR10 format, and HDR10-enabled games or content.

Q: Outside of higher gaming performance, 4K TV features, and support for 4K video streaming, are there any other benefits to PS4 Pro?

Yes. PS4 Pro will come standard with a 1TB HDD, faster Wi-Fi (IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac), and a third USB 3.1 Gen.1 port on the rear of the unit. PS4 Pro’s more powerful hardware can also benefit PlayStation VR games, enhance streaming features such as Share Play and Remote Play, and enable higher resolution output for media captured using the Share button.
In most other ways, PS4 Pro will be very similar to the standard PS4. This includes the user interface and functionality.

Q: Why do I need a Premium HDMI cable for using PS4 Pro on my 4K TV?

For maximum quality, you’ll need a PS4 Pro system, a 4K TV with a Premium HDMI input port (often marked in blue), and a Premium HDMI cable. A Premium HDMI cable is included with PS4 Pro, but those who need to purchase a longer cable should remember to get one that meets the Premium HDMI spec.

The newer Premium HDMI format can display a 4K signal at up to 60 frames per second (60Hz). Older High Speed HDMI cables (aka HDMI 1.4) can technically display a 4K signal on a 4K TV, but the performance will be limited to just 30 frames per second (30Hz).

Q: Is there anything else I need to know about PS4 Pro support on my 4K TV?

Given that 4K display standards and HDR features are still cutting edge, we recommend that you carefully consult your 4K TV’s manual and other reference materials to fully understand its capabilities.

Q: Will PS4 Pro support PlayStation VR?

PS4 Pro will fully support PlayStation VR just like the standard PS4. It’s important to note that PlayStation VR’s integrated display tops out at 1920 x 1080; it does not support 4K output. Also, the PS VR headset does not support HDR features.

That said, PS4 Pro’s upgraded processing power will give VR developers the ability to enhance their experiences with higher quality graphics, smoother or more stable framerates, and visual improvements in supported games. Developers can also choose to add PS4 Pro features to PS VR games post launch via a downloadable update.

Q: Which PS VR games will support PS4 Pro features?

As neither PS VR nor PS4 Pro has launched at the time of publication, we’ll wait until closer to PS4 Pro’s launch to begin confirming these titles.

Q: Does PS4 Pro support Ultra 4K Blu-ray Discs?

No, PS4 Pro’s internal Blu-ray drive does not support the new Ultra 4K Blu-ray Disc format. It supports the same Blu-ray Disc specs as the standard PS4. The Blu-ray Disc Player application, however, will support high-quality upscaling of DVD and Blu-ray Disc content.

Q: What 4K entertainment options will PS4 Pro support?

4K streaming apps for Netflix and YouTube are in development. Though 4K streaming is still in its early days, other services are likely to offer 4K video content in the future as well.

Q: Will there be any 4K PlayStation Store movies or TV shows?

There are no plans for this at PS4 Pro’s launch, but the PlayStation Network team is looking into it.

Spoiler for Other Questions:

Q: How large is PS4 Pro, physically?

PS4 Pro is slightly larger than the original PS4 model introduced in 2013, and will measure approximately 295×55×327 mm (width × height × length).

Q: Will PS4 Pro owners have a performance advantage in online games when competing against standard PS4 players?

Generally, no. Playtesting and balancing is up to each game developer, and while it’s true that PS4 Pro’s more powerful hardware can drive smoother or more stable frame rates in supported titles, developers have many tools and processes they can use to prevent imbalances.

Q: Will there be any changes to Remote Play or Share Play with PS4 Pro?

Yes, PS4 Pro’s increased processing power can offer significant streaming benefits if the internet bandwidth is fast enough. Remote Play users on PC, Mac, or Xperia will be able to stream gameplay from a PS4 Pro system at up to 1080p. Share Play users on a standard PS4 or PS4 Pro will also be able to stream gameplay from a PS4 Pro system at up to 1080p.

With both Remote Play and Share Play, PS4 Pro’s adaptive streaming technology will attempt to optimize streaming quality to make the most of available internet bandwidth. For the best experience, we recommend a 15Mbps or higher connection and using a wired Ethernet connection (not Wi-Fi) whenever possible.

Q: Will the Share button capture higher quality game content with PS4 Pro games?

When playing a game with PS4 Pro features, using DUALSHOCK 4’s Share button will generate higher resolution gameplay clips and screenshots compared to the standard PS4. Specifics will vary by game, but some games will support full 1080p video capture, and screenshots at up to 3840 x 2160 (4K) pixels.

Q: Will I be able to Broadcast my gameplay at higher settings?

Yes. At launch, you will be able to broadcast a YouTube stream at as high as 1080p and 60 frames per second.

Q: Are Sony’s new 4K TVs a good fit for PS4 Pro?

While we won’t provide a specific recommendation for PS4 Pro at this time, Sony has a long history of designing TVs with advanced technology, and that reputation has extended to the 4K TV realm.

Q: What size 4K TV should I get?

We can’t give an official recommendation on TV size due to variables in room size, seating distance, and media types. 4K games and movies can feature up to four times the total resolution of a 1080p signal, so to take full advantage of 4K’s greatly increased fidelity, you’ll want a 4K TV that’s big enough to show it off comfortably.

Unofficially, the staff of PlayStation.Blog has observed good results in average living rooms with 4K TVs sized 60’’ and up. If you’re in the market for a new 4K TV for PS4 Pro, we strongly recommend selecting a model with HDR10 compatibility, which will enable increased image vividness and contrast in HDR10-enabled games and movies.

Q: If I’m using PS4 Pro on a 4K TV, and I’m playing a PS4 game without PS4 Pro features. Will it still output in 4K?

Yes, older PS4 games without dedicated PS4 Pro features will output at 4K when played on PS4 Pro and a supported 4K TV using a Premium HDMI cable. You will not, however, see any visual benefits without support for PS4 Pro features.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/...-ultimate-faq/

[Urzu 7]

A little technical help for PS4...

So I want to take a HDD from one PS4 and put it into another PS4. Data is backed up. Do I reformat the hard drive? Is that what initializing is? What should I do, initialize the hard drive on the PS4 it is in now, and then put it in the other PS4 and it should be good to go?

[CrowKenobi]

After you put the drive in the new PS4, the system will automatically initialize the drive as part of the system restore.

[Chosen_Hero]

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Elsewhere in the Digital Spy interview, House mentioned that the lack of a 4K Blu-ray player in the PS4 Pro doesn’t necessarily mean the start of a digital-only future, they just noticed that streaming is beating physical media 5:1 on PS4:

No, I don’t think one should read into it that way. If you look at our current business, we see very stable sales of packaged media when it comes to games.
On the other hand, when I look at other ways people are using their PS4 – video content is absolutely the number two use of people’s time on the console. But it is 5:1 in favor of streaming video versus packaged media. We looked at that and said that’s probably where we should place our emphasis.
But I don’t think you should extrapolate out from that to say that’s now going to change our philosophy around other areas of the business.

As for the 4K gaming PS4 Pro will provide, and whether it’s native or upscaled, House said, “I would say the majority will be upscaled – at least based on the game portfolio I have seen to date.” Asked if he feels like ‘4K gaming’ is a misleading term, House replied:

No, I don’t think so. I think that whatever the term is, it’s a question of whether people see a demonstrable difference in the game experience or not, rather than the term we use to apply to it.
I think that’s what people are looking for and they’ll make their judgement as to whether that’s working for them or not.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...te-intriguing/

[Dextro]

Here's an unboxing of the PSVR kit:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/_0e8O3f9W6E

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[Bonta Kun]

Hopefully get my PS4 tomorrow!

Just need to get me a copy of Uncharted and I'm sorted till FFXV is out!

[Chosen_Hero]

[felix]

Quick FYI,

As everyone probably heard already World of Final Fantasy looks like shit after patch 1.01 on the PS4 pro (even though it was very pretteh before). Total downgrade!

This isn't a perfect fix, but it does make it bearable. From what I can tell what they did was grace us with some shitty depth of field effect we can't turn off. And, said depth of field effect only looks half decent if you're running the game at 4k resolution. If you're seeing it super pixely then it's likely because the game is actually running at 1080p resolution. 4k TVs generally have only certain ports support full 4k (hdcp 2.2) with all other ports showing 1080p (hdcp 1.4). Note that you may need to restart the console for the thing to understand you plugged it in to the right port (maybe). For me when I installed the thing I forgot to plug it in to the 4k hdmi port, so it was running 1080p. (Hey it ran good and I'm not one to go and count the damn pixels so what do I care...) Anyway if you plug it into the right port, the effect in question should at least be good enough to play though, though personally I would have appreciated at this point if Sony MANDATED that all "improvements" brought to the PS4 version have a damn OFF switch, since I would rather not have it to begin with. (Didn't play much before the patch but dont think the antialiasing issue was there either, sigh)

With regard to the settings. Since those are confusing as all hell too. If you have an "old" 4k Tv then you want 2160p - YUV420 and if you have modern one you want 2160 - RGB. It's essentially a larger color space. You may also need to tweak the color to Limited from Full. If you get it WRONG then you'll notice very slight annoying stutter as the PS4 is outputting more then your device can handle (so don't be greedy!).

Also, I should probably mention this, different HDMI ports will (depending on tv) also have different latency associated with them. If latency matters to you (fighting games, shooters, rythem games, etc) make sure you get it right! even if your tv doesn't have any 4k support.

If you have the disk version, disconnect internet and play the superior version 1.0.0 (nothing like doom patches to spoil the fun)

[edit]

Quick update on antialiasing; I believe that's heavily tied to the crappy depth of field effect. Probably engine can't handle the crapiness. The antialiasing is perfectly fine when the depth of field effect isn't going bonkers (ie. not zoomed in and low camera angle). Incidentally, since we're on the topic of how depth of field (or based on how it's implemented, more like "shitty-eyesight simulation") is the worst thing ever in video games: What would one expect to happen when the characters are in a conversation? if you're guess was to have the characters talking be blurred out and the characters not talking be in focus, then swap between focus and blur when they change dialog (with out even changing the camera), then you too can be a World of Blurry Fantasy Developer today!

[Chaos2Frozen]

Anyone see anything they like from PSN Black Friday sales?

[SuitUp]

Tales of the bordelands and the Batman tell tales game seem very tempting at those prices tbh

[felix]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Anyone see anything they like from PSN Black Friday sales?

Uncharted 4 looks nice, pretty good cut. But Final Fantasy 15 looks nicer—sadly not on sale.

Question: Is Tearaway the Vita version different from Tearaway Unfolded, the PS4 game? It's also on sale. I mean I know it's a remake, but the Vita has dual front and back side touch, with one of them being a screen. While the DS4 has a touch pad on the front... so a bit uncertain of the transition there. And if I understand correctly this is one of those few games that really makes use of the Vita's touch doo-thingies.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yes, Tearaway PS4 have a few changes from the Vita version to compensate for the no touch screen issue. They did a segment on one of their conferences some time ago. I don't remember the details though.

[felix]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yes, Tearaway PS4 have a few changes from the Vita version to compensate for the no touch screen issue. They did a segment on one of their conferences some time ago. I don't remember the details though.

So should I get the Vita version or PS4 version? I don't care too much for graphics.

Or are they different stories?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by felix

So should I get the Vita version or PS4 version? I don't care too much for graphics.

Or are they different stories?

This is not my opinion because I didn't play the game, but it seems people who did play the game swear up and down about how good the Vita version is, a good part due to the touch screen mechanics.

[ghost013]

Is there any Black Friday deals for the vita?

[felix]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

This is not my opinion because I didn't play the game, but it seems people who did play the game swear up and down about how good the Vita version is, a good part due to the touch screen mechanics.

That's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks.

Originally Posted by ghost013

Is there any Black Friday deals for the vita?

There's game deals; just filter for it in the store (Muramasa, new Odin Sphere, Arland Atelier Trilogy are up there).

Not sure about the system itself. Though the wifi-only Vita is just a AAA game and half in cost these days.
Not sure if the Ps TV thing is cheaper (it's really just a screenless vita), but I'm pretty sure not all games can run on it; and it's also not as portable.