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Kitsu · 2009-07-02, 12:46

Well I always thought they do the festival on different occasion. For example

School B holds it in July
School C holds it in november
School A holds it in september

In germany we have our festivals on ifferent days and times as well, but most of the time, between end of summer and winter because our schools want to show of so they would get more students

milkypink · 2009-07-02, 13:13

I think it depends on the school, but I was under the impression it was around fall (since sports festivals take place spring/summer, right?).

Nih · 2009-07-02, 14:44

But what if the epitaph is simply a poem, which does not necessarily hold any direct solutions? Of course that would imply Kinzo had a funny taste in poetry, but that's besides the point.

maximilianjenus · 2009-07-02, 17:26

does not seem likely as eva solves it.

paula_mink · 2009-07-02, 21:28

My friend (Sasa) and I created it.
If this theory was posted before, sorry.

culprit: Kanon
supporters: Genji, Nanjo and kumasawa.

Spoiler for big?:

PS: Please, dont come with "why would kanon kill everyone? what's the reason?"
In higurashi, the reasons were revealed in the final.
At time, Kanon might be no reason but if ryukishi want he can create it.

Well, that's all

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-02, 21:35

well that's a possibility at least for the episode1 there's nothing wrong with this theory. You didn't explain the letter in Kinzo's room, but I guess you can say it could have been anyone of the three accomplices. However I wonder why you placed Kumasawa among the suspects, even if everything could be explained with just Kanon, Genji and Nanjo.

Christen · 2009-07-02, 21:48

You have to into account that Shannon wasn't originally meant to be in the mansion that night. If we relate this to your theory, we'll be able to see why Kanon was angry at having Shannon killed.

However, I still doubt that Kanon is the main culprit, unless we consider Episode 1 is a bit of a slip up.

Kets · 2009-07-02, 22:04

How does Eva solve the Epigraph?

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-02, 22:55

we weren't told, we just got some hints about the whole reasonings.

- The key is a word that can be read in a way to form 6 characters
- Ocean is an important hint
- It is probably necessary to check an atlas
- shore, village, river etc are most probably just metaphors
- the riddle is not something sophisticated but trivial like a kid's game
- the "village of gold" as opposed to "golden land" is an important hint

Alaya · 2009-07-02, 23:43

Maybe a kid might be able to solve epitaph easily than us, since we would try to think to complex for many times....

I think the manipulation of character is also important too, but it has to be in accordance with what Jan-Poo written and the epitaph. If we can find the six letters then it would be really easy from there.

k//eternal · 2009-07-03, 01:38

I wonder if the atlas is a red herring for us just because Rokkenjima is a fictional island?

Alaya · 2009-07-03, 01:55

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Originally Posted by k//eternal

I wonder if the atlas is a red herring for us just because Rokkenjima is a fictional island?

It might relate to other things that really exist in the real world.

Maybe, the "behind the picture" theory might be correct but what lies behind the picture is not actually a hidden place of the gold, rather another hint or writing that tell the actual place of the gold.

MeoTwister5 · 2009-07-03, 02:42

There's one big issue regarding Eva solving the epitaph: How reliable is her POV of getting there? If all of it was true, then can we say with certainty that we were shown exactly how the treasure was hidden?

Since Eva did go probably underwater in a long and damp tunnel to reach a large room holding all the gold, then can we say with certainty that the gold really is hidden underground or underwater and you need to go through a tunnerl to reach it? Assuming all that was precise and true then the viewer can use clues from Eva's travels and infer from her situation to be able to narrow down possible answers for the epitaph.

But hey, what if the scenes of Eva finding the gold was all fake? Highly unlikely because it's somewhat indicative that Ange's story was a continuation of Ep3 where Eva survives, but if the scenes of her finding the gold was fake, then anything we could srumise from it would be meaningless.

MeoTwister5 · 2009-07-03, 05:30

BTW guys request, what's the name of the BGM track that plays once the duel begins in the MetaWorld in the final human tea party?

Christen · 2009-07-03, 05:47

dreamenddischarger, the 2nd half is エンドレスナイン (Endless Nine).

MeoTwister5 · 2009-07-03, 06:04

Thanks. If that track doesn't appear in the anime I'm gonna start shooting people with golden laser beams.

Also, Battler's sudden theoretical assertion that the name Kinzo was a title you passed on to successors and therefore does not negate the possibility that his grandfather was already dead despite the siblings recognizing the title of Kinzo was an unbelievable Crowning Moment of Awesome.

Christen · 2009-07-03, 06:10

It's possible that they remix the theme, I just hope it doesn't deviate too much from the original melody.

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-03, 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

There's one big issue regarding Eva solving the epitaph: How reliable is her POV of getting there? If all of it was true, then can we say with certainty that we were shown exactly how the treasure was hidden?

Since Eva did go probably underwater in a long and damp tunnel to reach a large room holding all the gold, then can we say with certainty that the gold really is hidden underground or underwater and you need to go through a tunnerl to reach it? Assuming all that was precise and true then the viewer can use clues from Eva's travels and infer from her situation to be able to narrow down possible answers for the epitaph.

But hey, what if the scenes of Eva finding the gold was all fake? Highly unlikely because it's somewhat indicative that Ange's story was a continuation of Ep3 where Eva survives, but if the scenes of her finding the gold was fake, then anything we could srumise from it would be meaningless.

Yes there is that possibility, but It would be quite pissing if this was true. Rather than that I thought that maybe there are various solutions to the epitaph and Eva merely found one. What I'm saying is that Eva actually found the ten tons of gold (whether they are really ten tons or just a set up), but maybe there is another way to interpret the riddle and that would bring to a completely different golden land.

MeoTwister5 · 2009-07-03, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Yes there is that possibility, but It would be quite pissing if this was true. Rather than that I thought that maybe there are various solutions to the epitaph and Eva merely found one. What I'm saying is that Eva actually found the ten tons of gold (whether they are really ten tons or just a set up), but maybe there is another way to interpret the riddle and that would bring to a completely different golden land.

Actually, it might be even possible to surmise that by also solving the epitaph she was also able to discover the location of the Kuwadorian where she would be rescued. When you think about it, it was only when someone solved it was this person saved, and this was because she hid in Kuwadorian.

It might not be a long shot to say that by solving the epitaph you also likewise discover the location of the hidden mansion.

In fact, it might even support the theory that Golden Land = Kuwadorian!

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-03, 07:08

That's also something that I theorized a while ago. If we assume that there is a natural event behind the "unfortunate incident" everyone talks about in 1998 then it is possible that the Kuwadorian isn't affected by it. So by finding the kuwadorian everyone can be saved... assuming they don't kill each other first...

2009-07-02, 12:46	Link #2261
Kitsu The unlucky one Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hiding	Well I always thought they do the festival on different occasion. For example School B holds it in July School C holds it in november School A holds it in september In germany we have our festivals on ifferent days and times as well, but most of the time, between end of summer and winter because our schools want to show of so they would get more students __________________ Thanks for the Signature, Vandakiara

2009-07-02, 21:28	Link #2265
paula_mink Gohda Pride +1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brasil \o/	My friend (Sasa) and I created it. If this theory was posted before, sorry. culprit: Kanon supporters: Genji, Nanjo and kumasawa. Spoiler for big?: First Twilight: (Krauss, Rudolf, Rosa, Kyrie, Shannon e Gohda): Red text: Spoiler: Regarding corpses with unknown identities, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist! So i rejected the idea of a fake body. Kanon was the last person in storehouse, remember when the family arrived he was carrying stuffs to storehouse. The next day, Kumasawa found blood in dinner hall, so i think Kanon beated the 6 and with Genji's help they carried all the 6 bodys with the barrow to the storehouse. That's why there were no sign of body being drag. The only reason i can see Kanon killing shannon is when he is ordered... by Genji perhaps. The occultism symbols i guess it could be painted by Genji. He had been spending all the time serving kinzo, He might learned something with him... Ah, and the lettlers! It might be genji as well. he was in all places where letters appeared. Second Twilight (Eva e Hideyoshi): Red Text Spoiler: Beatrice: The two were killed by other people (or homocide) It is not the case that after the creation of the closed room, one committed suicide after committing murder! Furthermore, the one who carried out the murders did so in the same room as the victims! No method exists for the person who carried out murder to do so from outside the room! Before Eva and Hideyoshi leave to their rooms, i'm quite sure that Eva asked Genji if he could let she know when the food is ready. I really doubt if Eva would open the door to Natsuhi if she was the murderer... So, Kanon and Genji went to Eva and Hideyoshi room, Eva opened the door and Kanon killed both Eva and Hideyoshi. Regarding the chain, i belive that it was never locked, Kanon just broke the chain with purpose to "outsiders" think it was a "closed room", after all only Kanon, Genji and Kumasawa saw the chain, when Natsuhi arrived it was already broke. I think the scene that shows Kanon breaking was fake, just like Kinzo's scene. fifth Twilight (Kanon): Red Text: Spoiler: Beatrice: All survivors have alibis!! That also includes the dead!! In other words, no humans or dead people on the island could have killed Kanon! Kanon did not commit suicide. Lambda: Kanon did not die in an accident. There was nothing who could kill him, didnt commit suicide, didnt die in an accident... So He is still ALIVE! Concluding, Nanjo lied about Kanon's death. About Kanon and Shannon: When Kanon was alone in boiler rorom, he talked about lot of things, one of those was that He "change his mind", i think when he said that, he was refering to Shannon, he was deeply sorry killing her and now he is not a funiture anymore and doesnt need to obey orders. Before Eva and Hideyoshi death, Kanon was whimpering Shannon's death and desired that Natsuhi would be the one killed in the place of Shannon . It's bring me to the first twilight... Could it be Kanon who scratched natsuhi's door because he was so angry killing Shannon in the place of Natsuhi? Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Twilight (Genji, Nanjo e Kumasawa): red text: Spoiler: Beatrice: Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them! And, of course, they were killed by other people! Regarding corpses with unknown identities, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist! Lambda: Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not murderers. I think Kanon did not killed Maria just to trap Natsuhi and the others to leave Kinzo's room. Who wouldnt run to help a defenseless little girl? At last but not the least, Natsuhi's Death. red Text: Spoiler: Beatrice: Natsuhi was killed by another person. There were absolutely no corpses of unknown identity, and all survivors had alibis! The bullet buried in Natsuhi's head was not fired by Natsuhi's gun! Lambda: The thing that shot Natsuhi was not a trap, but a real shooting murder with a readied gun and a pulled trigger He took a gun and shot, simply. Actually I'm still thinking about a possible "moment" for kanon to take the gun in kinzo's room. PS: Please, dont come with "why would kanon kill everyone? what's the reason?" In higurashi, the reasons were revealed in the final. At time, Kanon might be no reason but if ryukishi want he can create it. Well, that's all

2009-07-02, 21:35	Link #2266
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	well that's a possibility at least for the episode1 there's nothing wrong with this theory. You didn't explain the letter in Kinzo's room, but I guess you can say it could have been anyone of the three accomplices. However I wonder why you placed Kumasawa among the suspects, even if everything could be explained with just Kanon, Genji and Nanjo. __________________

2009-07-02, 22:55	Link #2269
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	we weren't told, we just got some hints about the whole reasonings. - The key is a word that can be read in a way to form 6 characters - Ocean is an important hint - It is probably necessary to check an atlas - shore, village, river etc are most probably just metaphors - the riddle is not something sophisticated but trivial like a kid's game - the "village of gold" as opposed to "golden land" is an important hint __________________

2009-07-02, 23:43	Link #2270
Alaya Counter Force Join Date: Nov 2007	Maybe a kid might be able to solve epitaph easily than us, since we would try to think to complex for many times.... I think the manipulation of character is also important too, but it has to be in accordance with what Jan-Poo written and the epitaph. If we can find the six letters then it would be really easy from there. __________________ Fate/Zero: This was the tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and was driven to despair by them. Madoka: This was the tale of magical girls whose wishes are pure and by them are driven to despair.

2009-07-02, 13:13	Link #2262
milkypink ♥～☆～♥ Join Date: Jul 2009	I think it depends on the school, but I was under the impression it was around fall (since sports festivals take place spring/summer, right?).

2009-07-02, 14:44	Link #2263
Nih Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 38	But what if the epitaph is simply a poem, which does not necessarily hold any direct solutions? Of course that would imply Kinzo had a funny taste in poetry, but that's besides the point.

2009-07-02, 17:26	Link #2264
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	does not seem likely as eva solves it.

2009-07-02, 21:48	Link #2267
Christen Endless Nine Artist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a certain tropical island Age: 38	You have to into account that Shannon wasn't originally meant to be in the mansion that night. If we relate this to your theory, we'll be able to see why Kanon was angry at having Shannon killed. However, I still doubt that Kanon is the main culprit, unless we consider Episode 1 is a bit of a slip up.

2009-07-02, 22:04	Link #2268
Kets Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	How does Eva solve the Epigraph?

2009-07-03, 01:38	Link #2271
k//eternal do you know ベアトリーチェ様? Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 35	I wonder if the atlas is a red herring for us just because Rokkenjima is a fictional island?

2009-07-03, 02:42	Link #2273
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	There's one big issue regarding Eva solving the epitaph: How reliable is her POV of getting there? If all of it was true, then can we say with certainty that we were shown exactly how the treasure was hidden? Since Eva did go probably underwater in a long and damp tunnel to reach a large room holding all the gold, then can we say with certainty that the gold really is hidden underground or underwater and you need to go through a tunnerl to reach it? Assuming all that was precise and true then the viewer can use clues from Eva's travels and infer from her situation to be able to narrow down possible answers for the epitaph. But hey, what if the scenes of Eva finding the gold was all fake? Highly unlikely because it's somewhat indicative that Ange's story was a continuation of Ep3 where Eva survives, but if the scenes of her finding the gold was fake, then anything we could srumise from it would be meaningless. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2009-07-03, 05:30	Link #2274
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	BTW guys request, what's the name of the BGM track that plays once the duel begins in the MetaWorld in the final human tea party? __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2009-07-03, 05:47	Link #2275
Christen Endless Nine Artist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a certain tropical island Age: 38	dreamenddischarger, the 2nd half is エンドレスナイン (Endless Nine).

2009-07-03, 06:04	Link #2276
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Thanks. If that track doesn't appear in the anime I'm gonna start shooting people with golden laser beams. Also, Battler's sudden theoretical assertion that the name Kinzo was a title you passed on to successors and therefore does not negate the possibility that his grandfather was already dead despite the siblings recognizing the title of Kinzo was an unbelievable Crowning Moment of Awesome. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2009-07-03, 06:10	Link #2277
Christen Endless Nine Artist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a certain tropical island Age: 38	It's possible that they remix the theme, I just hope it doesn't deviate too much from the original melody.

2009-07-03, 07:08	Link #2280
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	That's also something that I theorized a while ago. If we assume that there is a natural event behind the "unfortunate incident" everyone talks about in 1998 then it is possible that the Kuwadorian isn't affected by it. So by finding the kuwadorian everyone can be saved... assuming they don't kill each other first... __________________