(L) Elfen Lied

[bongky]

That's quite amazing. So before the forum was hacked, there were quite plenty of manga summaries, is it? Aw, man. Damn those hackers. By the way, why did Lucy said their blood do not belong to this world? And why did Kakuzawa take themselves as another different species? Why did Kakuzawa want to kill and capture the other diclonius in the first place if he himself is a diclonius too.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

So....After Lucy died, there were no more diclonius? Then how can Lucy be reborn as diclonius twins unless the mother still have the vector virus. That way, they aged at twice the speed and cannot reproduce too?

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Kakuzawa said that he kidnapped Lucy's mother because "ALL" of her children would be born as true diclonius. I don't think that he would know that if Lucy were her only child. I think that Lucy had siblings who stayed with her father when her parents split. One of those siblings had twin daughter's and named one of them Kaede after the sister that they knew about but were too young to remember. If that sibling happened to be a twin sister it would really be a shock to Yuka when they all returned to the festival. A diclonius that looked like Nyu and her daughters who could easily pass for Kouta's.

Originally Posted by bongky

That's quite amazing. So before the forum was hacked, there were quite plenty of manga summaries, is it? Aw, man. Damn those hackers. By the way, why did Lucy said their blood do not belong to this world? And why did Kakuzawa take themselves as another different species? Why did Kakuzawa want to kill and capture the other diclonius in the first place if he himself is a diclonius too.

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I think that she just assumed that there would always be conflict between the normal humans and the horned humans.
Kakuzawa hated normal humans because of his ancestors being hunted and killed as demons and probably because of how he was treated when he was young. He convinced himself that humans were a different species much like Lucy's statement "I am not the monster, you are." when she killed the bullies at the orphanage.
I am not sure how his plan was supposed to work, but he did isolate the virus and he exploded a rocket full over the city during the Mariko arc. Near the end almost all the pregnancies were with vector virus diclonius.

On another note. I think that Kouta, after he got his memories back, though a lot about how things would have been different if he told Lucy the truth about Yuka or if he had taken her to the festival too. I guess it is only fitting that he will be taking the twins to the festival. Just 19 or 20 years late.

And Lucy near the end was a very different person. She let go of her hate, rejected the voice that told her to kill, and acted out of her love for Kouta. From her expression when she was talking to him after She and Nyu left her body, it looked like she was able to stop hating herself and to forgive herself for what she had done to Kouta.

[Fate lover]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

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I think that she just assumed that there would always be conflict between the normal humans and the horned humans.
Kakuzawa hated normal humans because of his ancestors being hunted and killed as demons and probably because of how he was treated when he was young. He convinced himself that humans were a different species much like Lucy's statement "I am not the monster, you are." when she killed the bullies at the orphanage.
I am not sure how his plan was supposed to work, but he did isolate the virus and he exploded a rocket full over the city during the Mariko arc. Near the end almost all the pregnancies were with vector virus diclonius.

On another note. I think that Kouta, after he got his memories back, though a lot about how things would have been different if he told Lucy the truth about Yuka or if he had taken her to the festival too. I guess it is only fitting that he will be taking the twins to the festival. Just 19 or 20 years late.

And Lucy near the end was a very different person. She let go of her hate, rejected the voice that told her to kill, and acted out of her love for Kouta. From her expression when she was talking to him after She and Nyu left her body, it looked like she was able to stop hating herself and to forgive herself for what she had done to Kouta.

So...but in the anime, I thought Lucy couldn't bring herself to forgive herself for her sins, what was it that made her forget it in the manga. There must be something that inspires her. I just saw a net where they show Elfen Lied raw manga. Who was the diclonius that sit besides Kouta when Lucy and Nyuu protected him, was it her brother? Who was at the beach when Nyuu first heard the voice?

[bongky]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Spoiler for manga:

I think that she just assumed that there would always be conflict between the normal humans and the horned humans.
Kakuzawa hated normal humans because of his ancestors being hunted and killed as demons and probably because of how he was treated when he was young. He convinced himself that humans were a different species much like Lucy's statement "I am not the monster, you are." when she killed the bullies at the orphanage.
I am not sure how his plan was supposed to work, but he did isolate the virus and he exploded a rocket full over the city during the Mariko arc. Near the end almost all the pregnancies were with vector virus diclonius.

On another note. I think that Kouta, after he got his memories back, though a lot about how things would have been different if he told Lucy the truth about Yuka or if he had taken her to the festival too. I guess it is only fitting that he will be taking the twins to the festival. Just 19 or 20 years late.

And Lucy near the end was a very different person. She let go of her hate, rejected the voice that told her to kill, and acted out of her love for Kouta. From her expression when she was talking to him after She and Nyu left her body, it looked like she was able to stop hating herself and to forgive herself for what she had done to Kouta.

I see. What did Kouta thought of if he did bring Lucy to the festival and did not lied to Lucy? And one more thing, in the anime, why did Lucy cried when Kouta kept pounding her to the floor and ask her to "stop it"? It seems Lucy expression wouldn't change when she killed someone but yet why did she cry? Ah yes, I am still quite puzzled. How come Nyu can share the memories of Lucy? I thought they were split personalities and Nyu don't have a single memory.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

So...but in the anime, I thought Lucy couldn't bring herself to forgive herself for her sins, what was it that made her forget it in the manga. There must be something that inspires her. I just saw a net where they show Elfen Lied raw manga. Who was the diclonius that sit besides Kouta when Lucy and Nyuu protected him, was it her brother? Who was at the beach when Nyuu first heard the voice?

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While I don't think that she ever stopped feeling guilty for killing Kouta's father and sister and would have done anything to bring them back, sacraficing her life to save Kouta was as close as she could come and she felt that she had done all she could to make up for her sin. And her love for Kouta at the end was an unselfish love. She knew that he would probably end up with Yuka, but that was alright as long as he lived.

The only other diclonius at the Light House was Nana. She pulled Kouta to safety when the voice that told Lucy to kill took over her body from Nyu. And I am not sure about your last question.

Originally Posted by bongky

I see. What did Kouta thought of if he did bring Lucy to the festival and did not lied to Lucy? And one more thing, in the anime, why did Lucy cried when Kouta kept pounding her to the floor and ask her to "stop it"? It seems Lucy expression wouldn't change when she killed someone but yet why did she cry? Ah yes, I am still quite puzzled. How come Nyu can share the memories of Lucy? I thought they were split personalities and Nyu don't have a single memory.

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I just had the impression that Kouta felt some guilt too and thought about what might have been when he went to her dog's grave every year. I think that he will apologize to the twin that was Lucy and then take them to the festival.
When Kouta jumped on Lucy and stared hitting her head against the floor it brought her back from her jealous rage and she realized what she had done. She had betrayed the only person that had ever been nice to her, her first real friend, by killing his father and sister.
While it appeared to me that once Nyu could use the diclonius part of her brain to control her vectors that she could access Lucy's memories, Lucy could definitely access Nyu's memories. While she was protecting Kouta at the cost of her body, she sang "Elfen Lied" which was a song that Nozom had taught to Nyu. And when Lucy and Nyu left their body neither was surprised that the other was there and Nyu seemed to know about the past events and promises that Lucy talked to Kouta about.

[bongky]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

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I just had the impression that Kouta felt some guilt too and thought about what might have been when he went to her dog's grave every year. I think that he will apologize to the twin that was Lucy and then take them to the festival.
When Kouta jumped on Lucy and stared hitting her head against the floor it brought her back from her jealous rage and she realized what she had done. She had betrayed the only person that had ever been nice to her, her first real friend, by killing his father and sister.
While it appeared to me that once Nyu could use the diclonius part of her brain to control her vectors that she could access Lucy's memories, Lucy could definitely access Nyu's memories. While she was protecting Kouta at the cost of her body, she sang "Elfen Lied" which was a song that Nozom had taught to Nyu. And when Lucy and Nyu left their body neither was surprised that the other was there and Nyu seemed to know about the past events and promises that Lucy talked to Kouta about.

Who is this Nozom? And can Nyu use vectors too??!! How odd. By the way, who was it that talked to Nyu when she ran to the beach after hearing Nana plan of killing her after Lucy killed Bando. But it is still so hard to believe....of all the things, why did Lucy gave Kouta to Yuka?? Such a pity. Kouta and Lucy both loved each other while Kouta only liked Yuka but not loved her. Such a sad thing so see. I think I am going to cry already. And in the anime, why did Lucy surrender herself to the vectors although the image projected by the vectors was all lies. Why did Lucy let herself to believe them? And also one more thing, why didn't Kouta believed her sister, Kanae who was warning him about Lucy?

[Fate lover]

Who captured Lucy in the end and bring her back to Kakuzawa? How does Pocky Addict know the whereabout of Lucy especially since that "cowboy" died??

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by bongky

Who is this Nozom? And can Nyu use vectors too??!! How odd. By the way, who was it that talked to Nyu when she ran to the beach after hearing Nana plan of killing her after Lucy killed Bando. But it is still so hard to believe....of all the things, why did Lucy gave Kouta to Yuka?? Such a pity. Kouta and Lucy both loved each other while Kouta only liked Yuka but not loved her. Such a sad thing so see. I think I am going to cry already. And in the anime, why did Lucy surrender herself to the vectors although the image projected by the vectors was all lies. Why did Lucy let herself to believe them? And also one more thing, why didn't Kouta believed her sister, Kanae who was warning him about Lucy?

Originally Posted by Fate lover

Who captured Lucy in the end and bring her back to Kakuzawa? How does Pocky Addict know the whereabout of Lucy especially since that "cowboy" died??

Most of your questions I can't answer because the reviews did not really get detailed until after Lucy was captured. For the ones I can.
Nozomi was a friend of Yuka's who came to stay at the Maple Inn. She is one of the 4 girls at the Light House. Her mother had been a singer and she had a beautiful voice and loved to sing, but her father did not want her to sing. She is sometimes referred to as "Diaper Girl" because her father beat her so badly that she lost control of her bladder and has to wear adult diapers. She actually encountered child Lucy and her puppy when she was singing in the forest where her father wouldn't hear her.

Spoiler for manga:

Nyu used her vectors to free herself from Kakuzawa, and her horns had not grown back yet. She was going to go back to the Maple Inn to live with her friends. But then Kakuzawa's daughter, Annah, attacked her and the horns spontaniously regenerated and she became Lucy. The fact that she did not have to have horns to have vectors makes me wonder if at least some of the children born apparently normal because of the vaccine might not develop vectors when they reach puberty.

On them finding Lucy, I imagine that the three Mariko Clones were able to locate where Nana was at and they acted under the assumption that Lucy was there too.

[FireChick]

Sorry to ask but does anyone have any manga scans of Mariko and her vectors. I heard somewhere...

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that she has like 50 in the manga.

[Fate lover]

Originally Posted by FireChick

Sorry to ask but does anyone have any manga scans of Mariko and her vectors. I heard somewhere...

Spoiler:

that she has like 50 in the manga.

Go to baka-update.com and download the elfen lied manga, there is the scan of Mariko.

[Fate lover]

I've just watched Elfen Lied again and I am very furious especially at the scene where the boys bullied young Lucy. I am also very desperate to find out who the hell is behind that door! Man, I want to see a continuation to all that.

[bongky]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

She actually encountered child Lucy and her puppy when she was singing in the forest where her father wouldn't hear her.

Spoiler for manga:

Nyu used her vectors to free herself from Kakuzawa, and her horns had not grown back yet. She was going to go back to the Maple Inn to live with her friends. But then Kakuzawa's daughter, Annah, attacked her and the horns spontaniously regenerated and she became Lucy. The fact that she did not have to have horns to have vectors makes me wonder if at least some of the children born apparently normal because of the vaccine might not develop vectors when they reach puberty.

On them finding Lucy, I imagine that the three Mariko Clones were able to locate where Nana was at and they acted under the assumption that Lucy was there too.

Oh my goodness. So besides Kouta, Lucy met another girl and that girl is Nozom??!! How can that be possible? I thought Lucy only encountered Kouta and there they became good friends. I thought Lucy horn was gone due to Mariko self-destruction. But afterward she had her horn back again, right? Then why when facing Annah, Nyu was hornless again? And doesn't the horn allow Lucy to gain powers of her vectors? Then if Nyu was hornless, then how can she have vectors? One more thing, are you saying some true diclonius doesn't even have vectors even though they've reached puberty??!! Eh, I thought Lucy pet friend was murdered by those orphanage bastards. One more thing, did Nozom make friends with child Lucy??!!

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by bongky

Oh my goodness. So besides Kouta, Lucy met another girl and that girl is Nozom??!! How can that be possible? I thought Lucy only encountered Kouta and there they became good friends.

It was before her puppy was killed. I'm not even sure if they spoke or not. Just that Lucy heard her singing and went to see who it was.

I thought Lucy horn was gone due to Mariko self-destruction. But afterward she had her horn back again, right? Then why when facing Annah, Nyu was hornless again?

Spoiler:

When Lucy was captured she lost one horn to a piece of shrapnel from the Helicopter that she pulled down on Pocky Addict and his two Meriko clones, then the same sniper that shot Kouta shot off her other horn turning her into Nyu, who was easy to capture.

And doesn't the horn allow Lucy to gain powers of her vectors? Then if Nyu was hornless, then how can she have vectors?

Spoiler:

Apparently, while the horns were necessary for Nyu to become Lucy, they were not necessary for her to use vectors. In the manga losing one horn did not change the number, length, or power of Lucy's vectors. That is why I am curious about how the vaccine against the vector virus might affect the children who would have been vector virus diclonius without it. And Nyu had the same type of dreams that Lucy had before she used her vectors.

One more thing, are you saying some true diclonius doesn't even have vectors even though they've reached puberty??!!

Vector Virus Diclonius are all female, they are all sterile, they get their vectors at three years old, they age at least twice as fast as normal humans so 6 year old Nana looks to be the same age as 13 year old Mayu.

True Diclonius can be male or female, they can reproduce, they get their vectors around the time that they start puberty, and they age like normal humans.

[ganbaru]

The fact of having or not horns don't affect the use of vertor by itself, thet the painwhen losing horn ( or any other pain) than made diclonius enable to use any vector.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

The fact of having or not horns don't affect the use of vertor by itself, thet the painwhen losing horn ( or any other pain) than made diclonius enable to use any vector.

That might be true with a child like Mariko, but Nana used her vectors to disable Lucy's vectors right after Lucy cut off her arms and legs and Lucy could still use vectors after she lost one horn. There are a number of instances in the manga of Lucy in great pain still using her vectors.

[Reno]

And Nana too. By the way, wasn't it also Nana stopped Mariko from using her vectors? Before she fell of the bridge.

[Fate lover]

Then, Lucy and his brother are true diclonius? How can the Mariko's be cloned, did they wear any uniforms?

Spoiler for manga:

Then, if Lucy's brother spread the virus, then all the vector virus diclonius would be male.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

Then, Lucy and his brother are true diclonius? How can the Mariko's be cloned, did they wear any uniforms?

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Then, if Lucy's brother spread the virus, then all the vector virus diclonius would be male.

First. If you are going to ask qyestions about the manga that is not covered in the anime the you should really go to the manga thread, or at least put them in spoiler tags in case there is a second series.

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Lucy and her little brother are both true diclonius. If she has other siblings that stayed with her father then they will also be true diclonius, but they would be living normal lives without killing or infecting anyone since all the vector virus diclonius were born where Lucy was staying.
It is impossible to know what would have happened if her little brother had infected someone since he died shortly after he was introduced.
Kurama's replacement, commonly refered to as Pocky addict since he was alway's eating Pocky, used Mariko's DNA to create four clones of Mariko and he fitted them with mind control devices so they would do anything he said. Three ended up being killed, two during and one after Lucy's capture. The fourth was killed at the research facility during the diclonius rampage.

[Fate lover]

Sorry, that aside. Who do you think was behind the door at the end of the anime? I think it was the female scientist.

[bongky]

That's rather odd, why was the true diclonius living with Lucy father was able to live a normal life while Lucy was forced to live a life which was so horrible. And did the vectors in true diclonius only appear when they are pushed over the edge by some unfortunate event? Did Lucy made any friends in the orphanage besides that blasted girl? Oh right, in the OVA series of Elfen Lied, who was that girl? Why would she sacrifice herself just for Lucy? I was so touched One more thing, did Lucy stop killing when Kouta asked her not to kill anymore or he wouldn't forgive her?