Tokyo Ravens [Light Novel]

[nacer666]

The others are ok but Takiko is crazy.

[noctis_lucis]

Originally Posted by nacer666

The others are ok but Takiko is crazy.

She's antagonist and well she isn't interested in Yakotora in that way I mean she didn't want to have his babies until now. Plus she wanted Natsume & Harutora as companions which is impossible now because of all what happened with Natsume's death.

What I really want to know it's the kind of relationship Hishamaru and Yakou had. Moreover, Yakou was as dense as Harutora and never realized her feelings and what will happen when Natsume and Harutora meet one more time a part of fixing the partial resurrection, a possible love triangle.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by noctis_lucis

She's antagonist and well she isn't interested in Yakotora in that way I mean she didn't want to have his babies until now. Plus she wanted Natsume & Harutora as companions which is impossible now because of all what happened with Natsume's death.

What I really want to know it's the kind of relationship Hishamaru and Yakou had. Moreover, Yakou was as dense as Harutora and never realized her feelings and what will happen when Natsume and Harutora meet one more time a part of fixing the partial resurrection, a possible love triangle.

Until now? As in now she does want his babies? huhh

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by nacer666

The others are ok but Takiko is crazy.

She's driven, not crazy.

Originally Posted by anonfr

Until now? As in now she does want his babies? huhh

lol. I think your taking noctis too seriously. Takiko doesn't actual have any interest in him that way, not at least for the moment anyway, just strong respect. She like Genji is mainly following their ancestors desires using whatever methods necessary. Furthermore the Souma Clan and Yakou were once major allies who were striving for the same thing and Twin Horn was partly created to bring about that goal to reality. Takiko believes that just like her and Genji, Harutora and Natsume are too carrying out the same will as Yakou did in the past. It was Yakou who changed his mind at one point and likely for reasons she doesn't know or she does, but the goal is very controversial which may be the reason why Takiko can't talk about it.

[DarkDooM]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

It was Yakou who changed his mind at one point and likely for reasons she doesn't know or she does, but the goal is very controversial which may be the reason why Takiko can't talk about it.

He never changed his mind. He's still following his goal. His methods (now as Harutora and before as Yakou) are simply different from Takikos.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

She's driven, not crazy.


lol. I think your taking noctis too seriously. Takiko doesn't actual have any interest in him that way, not at least for the moment anyway, just strong respect. She like Genji is mainly following their ancestors desires using whatever methods necessary. Furthermore the Souma Clan and Yakou were once major allies who were striving for the same thing and Twin Horn was partly created to bring about that goal to reality. Takiko believes that just like her and Genji, Harutora and Natsume are too carrying out the same will as Yakou did in the past. It was Yakou who changed his mind at one point and likely for reasons she doesn't know or she does, but the goal is very controversial which may be the reason why Takiko can't talk about it.

I was actually poking fun at the statement lol. It's a bit misleading! me thinks.

I do think she's a little crazy though. But, It is a craziness driven from strong motivation and ambition. Sort of like movie bad guys who let their moral lines get blurred to accomplish their goals. They're kind of crazy, but you get it's for what they consider a higher cause. I definitely don't see her as a completely calm and rational person who thinks things through, like Genji. Genji strikes me more as an ends justify the means type of person and he recognizes his own losses and percieved wrongdoings, whereas Takiko seems a bit fanatical in that she's accomplishing something great. I guess it doesn't sound that different... but I think it's different.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by DarkDooM

He never changed his mind. He's still following his goal. His methods (now as Harutora and before as Yakou) are simply different from Takikos.

Are we really sure on that though? Yashamaru warned Takiko that may not necessary be the case:

Originally Posted by Vol: 8 Ch 3

"However, Princess. There's something you have to pay attention to. Will the awakened Tsuchimikado Yakou be the companion you anticipate?"

"What does that mean?"

"There's no way to check now what kind of magic Yakou used when he reincarnated himself. Yakou's reincarnation might not have the same will as the him from before. Please be sure to pay attention to that point."

Though in the end there is still not enough information, so it could be as you said.

Originally Posted by anonfr

I was actually poking fun at the statement lol. It's a bit misleading! me thinks.

I do think she's a little crazy though. But, It is a craziness driven from strong motivation and ambition. Sort of like movie bad guys who let their moral lines get blurred to accomplish their goals. They're kind of crazy, but you get it's for what they consider a higher cause. I definitely don't see her as a completely calm and rational person who thinks things through, like Genji. Genji strikes me more as an ends justify the means type of person and he recognizes his own losses and percieved wrongdoings, whereas Takiko seems a bit fanatical in that she's accomplishing something great. I guess it doesn't sound that different... but I think it's different.

She always came off more rash to me than crazy to me. *shrug*

I completely agree on Genji though.

[The One-way Road]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

She always came off more rash to me than crazy to me. *shrug*

It's been stated that she's a "shaman", whatever the difference between one of those and an onmyoji is. Yashamaru also stated that she might summon a god when she's in an unstable mental state, so I'd precieve her as a "created" crazy person, given her envirement and all. I mean, Kumomaru said that she's lonely, so it can be assumed she's not been around kids her age, but surrounded by adults that's feed her propaganda her entire life. Throughout brainwashing. A sheltered person with more powers that she should have who pushes her ideals upon the real world. It kind of gives me a feeling that she's what Harutora might have ended up as should he have been raised by the main house and manipulated by the O Agency.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by The One-way Road

It's been stated that she's a "shaman", whatever the difference between one of those and an onmyoji is. Yashamaru also stated that she might summon a god when she's in an unstable mental state, so I'd precieve her as a "created" crazy person, given her envirement and all. I mean, Kumomaru said that she's lonely, so it can be assumed she's not been around kids her age, but surrounded by adults that's feed her propaganda her entire life. Throughout brainwashing. A sheltered person with more powers that she should have who pushes her ideals upon the real world. It kind of gives me a feeling that she's what Harutora might have ended up as should he have been raised by the main house and manipulated by the O Agency.

Great points, I completely agree. I'm not great at wording it accurately, but I do think Takiko has a few screws loose, but I completely agree that it's probably a product of her environment. She probably was raised to be exactly what she is, feeding into propaganda and what she believes her duty to be. If her upbringing was different she might've been a fairly normal person.

Iron Maw might be right where she's just rash though. For example, Suzuka was raised in a terrible environment, but Suzuka is very practical. She's very rational, she operates on common sense and she might be arguably the most intelligent of the initial "party". If she's not the most intelligent, I feel like she has the "quickest" mind, where she makes connections and puts things together very quickly and efficiently. But, even Suzuka who is notably intelligent, rational and very practical, was introduced into the series as basically a crazy person in the midst of a mental breakdown due to a traumatic background.

Takiko never had a chance I guess, regardless of how healthy her "Nature" might've been as a person, her "Nurture" probably superseded it.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by The One-way Road

It's been stated that she's a "shaman", whatever the difference between one of those and an onmyoji is. Yashamaru also stated that she might summon a god when she's in an unstable mental state

I think that was referring to fact she like Suzuka has qualities of becoming a medium or is one which allows Takiko host a god in body due to her strong magic power. When Yashamaru was experimenting Suzuka this was his goal.

[noctis_lucis]

Well the post about Takiko wants Yakotora's babies was kind of a joke and Takiko's fanatical behavior makes me remember another anime with a character like that.

Originally Posted by The One-way Road

. A sheltered person with more powers that she should have who pushes her ideals upon the real world. It kind of gives me a feeling that she's what Harutora might have ended up as should he have been raised by the main house and manipulated by the O Agency.

Well I don't think so, well Yasuzumi did everything he could to avoid that result (the terrible future he foretold) and I also think Yako's will changed in one point in the past and that is the main reason to be against Kurahashi (the Agency) and Souma.

[The One-way Road]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Iron Maw might be right where she's just rash though. For example, Suzuka was raised in a terrible environment, but Suzuka is very practical. She's very rational, she operates on common sense and she might be arguably the most intelligent of the initial "party". If she's not the most intelligent, I feel like she has the "quickest" mind, where she makes connections and puts things together very quickly and efficiently. But, even Suzuka who is notably intelligent, rational and very practical, was introduced into the series as basically a crazy person in the midst of a mental breakdown due to a traumatic background.

That's what I meant about brainwashing. Takiko came from what we can assume is a loving enviroment unlike Suzuka who was experimented on and had her brother killed by her own father. She's been hurt by the dark side of onmyo world unlike Takiko who's been practically cuddled by it, hearing practically nothing but it's wonders.

I'd presume Takiko's rashness is the result of her zeal towards her goal that I feel is rather naive to be honest.

[Used Can]

There are some mikos that work as mediums for gods I think.
Well, I haven't actually researched the matter, but remember some miko in Saki (the show about lesbians playing mahjong), who had huge tits, and worked as a medium for gods to acquire powers.

I think I've seen some other shows with mikos doing the same thing, but I only remember the one from Saki, because of he huge tits.

[wandering-dreamer]

RDG was a bit similar, the premise there was that the main girl was the latest in a long line of women who were temporarily possessed by either a god or a spirit that was close to being a god (I think, the show got a bit vague on it towards the end and implied something else).

And in any case, I always interpreted the "shaman/ancient princess" comments about Takkio to mean that she used an older style of magic than the rest of the cast does (going by the anime here, still working my way through the light novels).

[mPervy]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

In vol 8. Specifically in the beginning of part 3 in Ch 4.

Ohh,, sorry! I missed that. I guess it's no wonder that she can't see what happen afterward.

Originally Posted by The One-way Road

That's what I meant about brainwashing. Takiko came from what we can assume is a loving enviroment unlike Suzuka who was experimented on and had her brother killed by her own father. She's been hurt by the dark side of onmyo world unlike Takiko who's been practically cuddled by it, hearing practically nothing but it's wonders.

I'd presume Takiko's rashness is the result of her zeal towards her goal that I feel is rather naive to be honest.

I believe it was stated before that she was just a sheltered princess. That's why all her behaviors are strange.

[Endscape]

Chapter 5 is out!

[Zilch_Saber]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Chapter 5 is out!

Yes, finally! Next chapter will be the start of Volume 10

[noctis_lucis]

My heart beat really fast
So the scene when Natsume confesed again it really happened in the LN and Harutora still as Yakotora loves Natsume

[DarkDooM]

Spoiler:

But unfortunately, she wasn't completely able to release the fifth seal.

Finally, the novel made things clearer regarding her memories. I take it that she was able to recover most of her memories, but simply not all, sadly.

Regarding the fourth seal, her spiritual power:

She didn't destroy the seal, she just made the part that the seal bound - her spiritual entity self - disintegrate and forced it out through the ruptured gap. Needless to say, it couldn't possibly be reconstructed if she did this, and she would jeopardize her own substance.

How to interpret this? Did she only regain her original spiritual power for a short while? Or will she still keep them, but they will be very unstable?

[bakato]

Originally Posted by DarkDooM

Spoiler:

But unfortunately, she wasn't completely able to release the fifth seal.

Finally, the novel made things clearer regarding her memories. I take it that she was able to recover most of her memories, but simply not all, sadly.

Regarding her "strength":

She didn't destroy the seal, she just made the part that the seal bound - her spiritual entity self - disintegrate and forced it out through the ruptured gap. Needless to say, it couldn't possibly be reconstructed if she did this, and she would jeopardize her own substance.

How to interpret this? Did she only regain her original spiritual power for a short while? Or will she still keep them, but they will be very unstable?

She amputated the fifth seal along with the part of her spiritual body it bound. this allowed her to regain her previous power, but now her very existence is unstable. She could still fight, but now we'll see her lag a lot more from now on.