2009-08-25, 12:48 | Link #2323 |
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We're talking Nanoha, right? Devices are capable of putting their users through simulated combat experiences. Nanoha spent a good amount of classroom time doing image training instead of listening to the lecture. ;p Thus, it's not impossible that Cross Mirage could have prepared Teana for something like that.
And a Nanoha device user in a combat aircraft would have a lot of advantages. For one, devices can obviously ameliorate the effects of sudden shifts in G-forces (otherwise Fate would pass out every time she fired up Sonic Move, heh.) And, frankly, Cross Mirage could easily do most of the flying part... At the same time, combat aircraft are not as tough as mages. Relatively minor damage knocks it down in a flamin' explosion. |
2009-08-25, 13:00 | Link #2324 | |
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In fact, I'm pretty Certain Cross Mirage does not because Tia's personal training was pointing guns at floating lights. Given her personal desire to get strong as fast as possible, if she had the option to Psych-Train the way Nanoha did, would you not think she would take it? I'd think she'd like to be running half a dozen combat simulations against a simulation of Nanoha every day in order to reach that level. Remember, as intelligent devices go, Raising Heart is rather unique. How many devices required an absurd startup password like that? |
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2009-08-25, 13:05 | Link #2325 |
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Raising Heart is the Super Prototype of the Nanohaverse. She's to Intelligent Devices what 00-Raiser is to mobile suits.
And no, Teana had simulator time in an actual simulator, not just image training. Cross Mirage did interface with the fighter's computer system, the same way Vice's Storm Raider interfaced with the systems of the transport helicopter. But Teana still has to fly it, and she has 50+ hours of simulator time. Not the best circumstances, but someone needed to defend the medical transport as it left the atmosphere of Midchilda and none of the mages have shown themselves capable of flight in vacuum. So this was the plot solution. By the way, Vita remarks upon Teana's relative inexperience in her own thoughts, so it's not wholly an asspull. ^^;
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2009-08-25, 17:25 | Link #2326 | |
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For the first, the barrier jackets seem to be a powered system, like a force field. Surely having to divert energy to keep it active is a drain on mobility as well. With Nanoha and Co. power levels, that's probably a non-issue, I admit, but what about the poor schmucks back towards the middle of the bell curve? |
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2009-08-26, 03:37 | Link #2330 | |
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It should also be noted that both Signum and Tre could spot this weakness of Sonic Form at first glance. |
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2009-08-26, 16:47 | Link #2332 | |
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2009-08-26, 17:05 | Link #2333 | |
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Below A-rank is still very much flight capable. B-rank is the proverbial high wall for many mages, and yet the TSAB still has a lot of flight capable redshirts to throw around. |
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2009-08-26, 20:04 | Link #2334 |
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Keep in mind that while the rank system is kind of a power level thing, there's "official" tests to be certified at a given rank (we see Fate getting her AAA and Subaru and Teana going for B). You don't necessarily have to be A-rank to be able to fly, but there's a high correlation between having the ability to fly for an extended duration, and do stuff while you're airborne, and A rank. I believe it's been stated that nobody in the flying corps is less than A.
Practically, this means that it's not unreasonable for a talented B to suddenly bust out a flight spell for a short burst. But if someone can fly easily, and they're not at least A, something else is wrong (maybe they've just got some total lack of talent in another area?) It also means that as a matter of doctrine, TSAB is going to yell at people who aren't A and who go airborne regularly... |
2009-08-26, 22:05 | Link #2335 |
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I posed this question up at Q&A, but they skipped over it so:
What is the generally accepted baseline mage rank required for one to have enough power to create and maintain a familiar? Also, if one mage is too strained in order to easily provide constant power to a familiar, is it possible to share the flow of magic required to maintain a familiar between multiple mages? Finally, does the TSAB have a seperate Magic/Tech research branch, and what is it called? Thanks! |
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However, if we are able to draw an assumption from examples, there is no familiar shown so far in Nanoha that does not have a powerful master. There was also a mention in the manga that having a familiar is a proof of a powerful mage or something... Arf has Fate, Linith had Precia, the Lieze Sisters has Graham. I'm just more or less making a wild guess here, but I think it's logical to assume that to have a familiar with any sort of viable use in combat (as they should be used, usually), you'd have to possess a reasonably high amount of magic. I'd set the baseline as Fate in Season 1 (AAA) since she's the lowest-ranked character ever shown to possess a familiar. (Precia was S-ranked, if memory serves me correctly. And I refuse to consider Graham's rank to be any lower than S, considering how powerful Aria and Lotte were. <.<) Quote:
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2009-09-04, 11:57 | Link #2338 |
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I noted some (possible) mistake in one of the threads, and sadly because of blackout do not know which one was that. It was that Nove and Quint have different IS than Ginga and Subaru because of Vibration Shatter... It's not so. There is Inherent Skill and there is cyborg how-was-it-called-thingie. For Quint, Ginga and Subaru IS is Wing Road, for Nove other-name-but-same-thing. It's where cyborg upgrades go Subaru (and Ginga?) have Vibration Shatter, like other numbers have they boomerangs, BFG, shield-gun and so on things that are tweaked to that cyborg and used to enhance they effectiveness. Just for Subaru that equipment is inner, not outer.
Our at least it's so as i remember.
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