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Paladinoras · 2010-05-20, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Actually, Britannian Constitution dictates that murder is acceptable as long as the strong defeated the weak. You have the right to take a life as long as you earn it via personal risks in committing the act. That's how the entire Britannian society justify death and destruction. That doesn't mean Kallen wouldn't be hunted down; the same constitution allow anyone to kill her for revenge if that's what they desire. There is essentially no legal protection for anyone. You need to be powerful, rich, influential or all three, to have any rights.

Then by that logic...the BK's actions was completely justified? Cause they did....win. Eventually. By the end.

Nogitsune · 2010-05-20, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Paladinoras

Then by that logic...the BK's actions was completely justified? Cause they did....win. Eventually. By the end.

Sure, with Britannian logic, a lot of things can easily be justified.

I never heard of such a constitution, though. Is that a fact, or speculation? Because although Britannian promoted social Darwinism, there's a good chance they still had laws against terrorism and other would-be crimes.

Betteroffer · 2010-05-20, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Arbitres

And for some reason Vampire got away with killing his father. I'm just pointing that out Britannia has an amazing population for such lenient protocols and adherence to the law.

I think it had to do with the fact that, according to what I have heard, he was physically abused by his father and killed him when he was 7. In any case this is only in the novels to my knowledge, so it has no bearing on the show anyway. For all we know Luciano's childhood was awesome, or one continuous string of Cry For The Devil moments.

Shizuo · 2010-05-20, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Arbitres

...I hate vampires. Enough said. Especially vampires of Britannia.

Well at least vampires of Britannia don't sparkle.

Nogitsune · 2010-05-20, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Shizuo

Well at least vampires of Britannia don't sparkle.

This comment? Win.

Rising Dragon · 2010-05-20, 19:44

If this were a different anime, though, they might...

Revolutionist · 2010-05-20, 23:40

It's hard to to feel for the enemy when they are faceless and devoid of any humanity. Usually when a pilot's face is shown seconds before their death, it is done to show that there's a human in the cockpit, so people aren't just blowing up machines, but human beings too... Out of all the people Kallen kills in the show, only one really made me go aww wtf?!, and that was Kewell's sister. Everyone else including Kewell himself and Luciano deserved it.

The way the show was written certainly takes away our attention from the fact that Kallen is a killing machine, and by the end of the show has killed a lot of people. Most of those people were behind a knightmare that's probably why she was able to move on and just live normally with no psychological problems. If she had had to kill all those people with a gun or knife it'd be a different story.

Knightrunner · 2010-05-20, 23:42

I agree with revolutionist in this one. It is a lot easier to kill machines rather killing people face to face.

Kyero Fox · 2010-05-21, 09:03

Watch erukia7 the mc flips when he finds out

Bonzo · 2010-05-21, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Watch erukia7 the mc flips when he finds out

The famous scene where from a wreck robot fall the human hand with marriage ring on the finger?

Kyero Fox · 2010-05-21, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

The famous scene where from a wreck robot fall the human hand with marriage ring on the finger?

Yes that one

Nobodyman9 · 2010-05-24, 00:27

Tres, a thread that hasn't been active for two days is hardly "dead."

Lost Cause · 2010-05-24, 06:11

I don't think it was ever mentioned, but Milly did graduate toward the end of R2. So if I had to guess I'd say she was at least in her third or fourth year.

bladeofdarkness · 2010-05-24, 06:19

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Two days too long for a Kallen thread.

I'd hate to sound pushy, but I think that is an appropriate summation on the basis.

This may need to go to the Q&A thread but... Was it ever stated how long Kallen attended Ashford? I have to guess on her mother's refrain-talking and guesswork... about 5-7 years.

kallen went to a japanese middle school
but she was in ashford at least one year before the start of the show (rivals points out she was mostly absent during that year as well)
so probably between 2-3 years by shows end (she doesn't really "go" to ashford during the second season until the end)

Paladinoras · 2010-05-24, 11:39

I'd say she is in her senior year.

bladeofdarkness · 2010-05-24, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Paladinoras

I'd say she is in her senior year.

actually, since the black rebellion was during her sophomore year, and she "dropped out" right after it, its possible she's still technically in her sophomore year

Paladinoras · 2010-05-24, 12:04

Meh, Ashford seems to have a pretty lenient system, I mean, Kallen was shown to didn't show up a lot for much of her first year, and she still went up a grade... Maybe if Kallen cared enough to ace her exams (OF course she will.

) Then, she'll go up a grade.

Bonzo · 2010-05-24, 12:23

Consider it, in my story she will never return school, but she's promoted with high marks, in the fake diploma

Lelouch, books and life will be her teachers.

Kittenlady · 2010-05-24, 12:54

To be honest, I always saw that supposedly being top of the class thing as a bit if an informed ability. I'm not saying 'act first, think later' people can't be booksmart, but a lot of her actions in the series contradict her supposedly good grades.

Then again, I suppose it depends. I'm sure all the good KMF pilots have to be good at physics and maths, for example.

bladeofdarkness · 2010-05-24, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Kittenlady

To be honest, I always saw that supposedly being top of the class thing as a bit if an informed ability. I'm not saying 'act first, think later' people can't be booksmart, but a lot of her actions in the series contradict her supposedly good grades.

Then again, I suppose it depends. I'm sure all the good KMF pilots have to be good at physics and maths, for example.

suzaku is one of the BEST pilots in the world, and he doesn't seem to know much about that (he was a foot soldier at first), and actually needs cecile's help with school work (at least in season 1)
and Lelouch is genius, and he's bearly a step above mook level as a pilot
i don't think you need THOSE kinds of skill require school work

as for her action in the show "contradicting" anything, its actually rather simple
after all, Lelouch demonstrated this point again and again

"a smart person, who operates while emotional, stops acting smart"

most of kallen's mistakes and unwise actions, are done while she's usually emotional (especially when Lelouch is concerned)
so its not that strange that she makes bad decisions at times

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