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Yeah, it's bullshit, just like the fact that Yasu was really planning to kill everyone... oh wait. Get down from your pedestal and stop acting like you posses all the answers to Umineko.
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2011-08-04, 09:28 | Link #23582 | |
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Anything you see in your imagination is clearly optional, and this could be a good way to play your character in a realistic matter. It's a matter of personification of your character. |
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2011-08-04, 11:35 | Link #23583 | |
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I also think that ''ceasing to exist'' is an entirely different Beatrice, he can write about any Beatrice he wants and even give her the same heart, but it just isn't the same. Or something... |
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2011-08-04, 11:56 | Link #23585 | |
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You can try as much as you want to make her the same woman her mother was, but she never will be. |
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2011-08-04, 12:03 | Link #23587 | |
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It's basically the Ship of Beatrice.
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2011-08-04, 12:03 | Link #23588 | |
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Maybe it's more along the lines of me owning a shirt that is very important to me, having the shirt burned, then expertly crafting another to the fullest of details. If the original shirt was given to me by something really important, while the crafted shirt has my heart and soul in it, it's just not the same. |
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2011-08-04, 12:20 | Link #23589 | |
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Yes okay, they marry and so the daughter metaphor may appear a little off...but it's not like incest is that much of a taboo in Umineko. Even though the father/daughter stuff still creeps me out... Cousins? Who cares. In the end it's not like anybody in the metaworld is really related to anybody... For me I solved this dilemma along these lines: Beatrice (EP1-5) The Beatrice that Tôya found transmitted in Yasu's letters -> an evil witch who likes to torture people for fun, but really turns out to be tortured herself Beatrice (EP5 finale) The memory of Yasu as Beatrice who can't do anything but give Battler peace Beatrice (EP6) The Beatrice that Tôya created after coming to terms with the fact that there's no way to get the old one back Clair A vessel for the true thoughts of Yasu Beatrice (EP8) The Beatrice in Tôya's heart that he grew to accept as important. And basically there are even more, like Maria's Beatrice, Kinzô's Beatrice, Kumasawa's Beatrice...and basically I've come to think that Eva-Beatrice could as well be Eva's idea of Beatrice. You could even say that the only Beatrice that is actually close to Yasu is Clair...because Beatrice in EP1-4 may also only exist because Tôya (or probably the entirety of the people of the future) imagined her like that. |
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2011-08-04, 14:09 | Link #23590 | |||||||||
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I don't even give a shit what Ryukishi thinks anymore. He didn't say it in the text so it doesn't count. I usually don't invoke Death of the Author and I think it's bullshit, but in this case I think it's entirely justified because Ryukishi is a fucking dipshit. I'm sorry, but holy crap, I came THIS close to just discarding my friendship with him over this idiocy. Quote:
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Also EP6's ending says yea, she's kinda dead bro. Quote:
Except no it doesn't. Metaphors are things you can compare that have the same core attributes but are otherwise radically different for the purposes of explaining something obscure, which my metaphor does succinctly, and the things you mentioned are 100% irrelevant to the issue of Erika's douchebaggery. So....lol? Quote:
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2011-08-04, 15:13 | Link #23591 | ||
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Yeah, it's not a majority, but that's the root of the problem anyway, that he started to care to much for what the majority thought. Quote:
You're like those stuck up hipster students, who sit in a seminar and moan about how stupid all those books are, because they're so stupid and the author is an ass and they should all just go and die, because your own perception of what is good and bad literature is worth so much more... Damn, I mean come on, what good does it do always being in such a foul mood. It's nice if you're confident about your solution...but man, it's not like you own the universe because you do... Sorry for the rant, but please...we could have a pretty normal discussion without stuff like this pestering the air... Can't you just ask a mod for a "We hate Ryûkishi" thread or something similar?! |
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2011-08-04, 15:46 | Link #23592 | |||
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By and large, the same people who eat up moemoe crap and are reading Umineko because he's the Higurashi guy. Quote:
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2011-08-04, 16:29 | Link #23593 | |||
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You may start to write your own Umineko then. I don't know, make a livejournal account and write a fanfiction, whatever. Quote:
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You're acting as if we can't use information from EP3 to solve EP1. Get over yourself. Quote:
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2011-08-04, 16:56 | Link #23595 | |
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And I would actually like to read something you've written. Is that possible? I assure you it's not in order to take revenge or anything that silly...I'd just like to know what your literary position is. |
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2011-08-04, 17:01 | Link #23596 | ||
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2011-08-04, 17:08 | Link #23597 |
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Just a thought but has anyone noticed that in order for Eva to exist in 1998, whatever murder she is in has to be fake. Such as EP1TL2, she faked her death which ruined the illusion of a closed room. Then there's EP2TL1, where all the adults had to fake their deaths (or Eva's the culprit of that murder). And EP4TL1 was probably fake as well. Makes sense, right?
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2011-08-04, 17:12 | Link #23598 |
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I see Nasuverse fans making legitimate complaints like Aura all the time, but that never meant they hated all of Nasu's works.
I think a major part of respect in something, is having the ability to talk shit about something(legitimately, or in a joking way if it's not intended to be serious) without the parties in question being mad.If Ryu never hears legitimate complaints like this, his works would never change. If I was a writer(which I'd rather be a theatregoer), I would definitely want my fanbase to tell me every little detail I got wrong, otherwise all my future books could possibly contain the same blunders. I didn't read too far into their theories because they contained spoilers, but I think Eva dying had to do with Battler learning that Eva survived, so he added that in in the third tale, then learned not to be so quick to judge later. |
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