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What I'm trying to say is that Kyoani tends to make their characters, particularly female characters, two-dimensional cardboard cutouts who try to garner as much attention possible by being "airheaded", "mute" or just plain silly. Free had those kind of characters, except they pretty much put in female like characters in male bodies this time. |
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Though mute isn't that bad if it's just nothing to say in the sea of stupidity.
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2013-12-11, 04:48 | Link #2363 | |
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(No seriously, this is exactly what I think about Yui, who is probably Kyoto's most iconic airhead.) Also, you do realize as a hardcore Kotomi fanboy I will have to exact terrible vengeance upon you now, right? (I'm also an Eru fan but I think she's a far ways off of genuine derp, so you're safe on that front.)
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2013-12-11, 05:06 | Link #2364 |
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I feel like people are unfairly harping on the Kyoukai no Kanata LN based off the impressions given by the anime. From what I've read of the translations, it's actually one of the better LN's. It's leagues above your typical harem light novels. It has some pretty solid characterization as well as world building, and works it in fairly well in a story that just seems to be mostly conversations at first. The translations I've read cover roughly the same amount of content as episodes 1-3 of the anime, yet there's more characterization and world building than the current 10 episodes of the anime.
Its major weakness is that the author is trying to channel the Monogatari LN's dialogue but he's too inexperienced to really make it work. That's something that definitely could have been improved upon with more experienced writers when undergoing the adaptation treatment. I think the biggest blunder KyoAn had with adapting KnK is that they played it too safe. They wrapped the story into the typical KyoAn presentation, increased the various moe factors shoehorned the main character/female lead relationship into something we've already seen them do many times before. The LN also switched between lighthearted scenes and more serious scenes, but its strengths were just how dark it was under the surface. There were so many nuanced character behaviors and interactions that seem innocuous at first but under further scrutiny bring the despair in the work to a fairly depressing level. There's also a huge PoV shift from the LN to the anime. In the LN Akihito is the PoV character, and we perceive the world through him, and through hits thoughts on everyone and everything we come to learn a lot about him. He's actually pretty interesting for a male lead in this type of light novel and it's really easy to empathize with him. Compare this to the anime where even 10 episodes in many people don't really care about him. Finally, the anime has rewritten so much of the original work that I'd only consider the anime 'loosely' based on the LN. So a lot of poor writing falls squarely on KyoAn's shoulders as they are the ones who wrote the original script for the anime. Just based on the first half of volume 1, I thought it had a lot of potential and with the right director it could have been polished into something far more memorable. Last edited by RobotCat; 2013-12-11 at 13:37. |
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And sometimes these character concepts run counter to what the rest of the show is trying to do. Tamako Market was hurt, perhaps irrevocably, by this very thing.
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2 huge sellers. 1 weak seller. 2 unadapted properties. That doesn't exactly scream "we're never adapting an outside property again" to me. As ironic as it may be, it strikes me as extremely fitting. Because if the attitudes of the 4channers I know are any indication, that board pretty much lives for "ironic spectacle".
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I don't think it's like they're completely closed to every adapting other people's works again (if nothing else, either Animation Do or a new subsidiary could form and take on extra projects), but I think they want to position themselves so that, whatever they work on, they're able to have a lot more leverage in the financial partnership. It'd probably take the right type of project and the right type of financial terms for them to be interested, but I'm sure anything's on the table if the deal is good enough. The Kadokawas of the world do have plenty of other options, though, so no need to rush.
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2013-12-16, 18:35 | Link #2373 | |
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/sarcasm I hope they apply that little hip-hop routine scene in Hyouka and make it about cute girl idols forming a dance crew!
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2013-12-20, 15:10 | Link #2375 | |
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Then again, this LN seems like a harem com/com, so maybe some additional padding might work out a lot better than with KnK. |
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2013-12-20, 21:26 | Link #2376 |
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It seems like they just farm their LNs for story concept and premises really, since they've made rather loose adaptions of Free, Chuuni and maybe Kyoukai as well from what I've heard. So it wouldn't probably matter as much if there was only 1 volume out. If they just get a set of characters and setting of the story, they could (and preferably too perhaps?) work off that.
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Well... technically it's very loosely based around the High Speed! LN... but was significantly altered for the anime to the point where some have said it may as well be considered anime original. (For example, High Speed covers the characters when they're in elementary school, whereas Free is in High School. Many of the main characters are the same, though.)
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