2011-02-12, 13:13 | Link #221 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie
|
I'd disagree with that. They already had those scenes with Hayate beforehand, and it's never implied that they're faking in those or anything. And there were certainly hints of a deeper nature for what they were doing.
|
2011-02-12, 13:15 | Link #222 | |
Left for TFF
Author
|
Quote:
I did NOT like the Wolkenritter in A's. The only character that was sympathetic to me in A's was Hayate (and later Reinforce). None of the other new characters were.
__________________
|
|
2011-02-12, 13:48 | Link #224 | |
Banned
|
Quote:
One can still view them as sympathetic, and yet still view their actions as unacceptable. I do. Those aren't mutually exclusive positions. Sympathetic means you understand why they do the things they do, and understand that it is quite possible for you to do the same things in the same circumstances. As far as the TSAB being a powderkeg? Ha. Why do you get people doing bad things? Because they can't find a place in society. The TSAB has been shown to really try to give people a place in society, and thus why I can see the organization being favorable to the people. |
|
2011-02-12, 14:14 | Link #225 | ||
Adeptus Animus
Author
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 36
|
Quote:
Quote:
So... they know of a way to 'beat the virus' so to say and live without having to kill. Their current killing is therefore not the cause of the virus, but their own volition. |
||
2011-02-12, 14:18 | Link #226 | |
Shitpost Gremlin
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
Age: 44
|
Quote:
Now that I have taken off the goggles I used to look at Nanoaverse with and that I have come back from long weeks watching Legend of Galactic Heroes, I can now understand all too well why people like Nighty are so bothered by the rampant nepotism in the Bureau and why the blatant favoritism toward mages have been bothering me for a while. Especially when characters like Hayate have not been shown doing actions that are worth of their brass. Because when I see it through a sociological point of view, it's a rather fucked up Bureau. |
|
2011-02-12, 14:30 | Link #228 | ||
Shitpost Gremlin
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
Age: 44
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
2011-02-12, 15:03 | Link #229 | |
Banned
|
Quote:
Chapter 8, page 17: "In order to maintain functional sanity and life, it is necessary that you continue killing. An EC-infected person cannot live without killing." They have a partial cure, but as Fortis said, they'll turn into a lump of flesh as a result of their regeneration going out of control if they don't. "You may resist with the mindset that murder is a crime. However you'll get used to it. We did, too." Edit: As far as the TSAB goes, I don't see why it would fail. It could technically work in real life, too. |
|
2011-02-12, 15:30 | Link #231 | |
Adeptus Animus
Author
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 36
|
Quote:
Fortis explains a person infected needs to kill to live at page 18, then at page 22 elaborates that the Hucks don't. Telling Touma he will get used to killing is because that's what the Hucks do. Ideally, yes. But this isn't an ideal world, and not everyone is ready to swallow being effectively ruled by a few gifted people. Ditto for gun control. Last edited by Keroko; 2011-02-12 at 15:41. |
|
2011-02-12, 15:50 | Link #233 |
Burst Mode
Author
|
Kaijo's right. Fortis says that those infected with the virus need to kill to live or else they become lumps of flesh.
All the Huckebein are infected with the virus, so that applies to all of them. Fortis says they have a method of making sure the virus doesn't control them. This is likely to mean they can avoid going on uncontrollable killing frenzies. We can see such a thing going on in Thoma's case where he is not in control of his actions. We also don't know what this method is. I imagine most think of it as some sort of medical injection, but perhaps their method is killing on a regular basis?
__________________
|
2011-02-12, 15:59 | Link #236 | ||
Banned
|
Quote:
Fortis is rattling off a list, and he specifically mentions "infected" and counts it as a separate list item. I don't know how much clearer than that you can get, unless you want to go to the original Japanese. Maybe ask Nagumo to take a look at that section. When infected need to kill in order to survive, they will do so. Hell, Touma himself immediately asked about that: "In order to survive? What do you mean by that?" and that's when Fortis further clarified than an EC-infected has to kill to maintain sanity and life, or else their regeneration goes out of control and they become lumps of flesh. Or else, why did Veyron presumably kill those nuns? He didn't have to, and Fortis said they don't kill unnecessarily. Veyron could have intercepted Touma before he reached the church, or just watched and waited. Instead, he told Touma that he had to kill because Touma was late. Quote:
|
||
2011-02-12, 16:17 | Link #237 |
Left for TFF
Author
|
Are we going back to that argument of good vs evil again?
Are we? Let's get all our facts straight, right now. *Looking at Force Manga right now.* Chapter 8, page 17, Fortis says that Touma would have to kill to keep his sanity and be able to keep functioning. "An EC Infected person cannot live without killing." Chapter 8, Page 19, Fortis shows off a lump of flesh. Chapter 8, Page 20, Touma realizes that those were the same lumps of flesh in that facility he saved Lily from. Fortis: Self-Destruction is the result of your regeneration going out of control and becoming a simple lump of flesh. chapter 8, Page 22: Fortis tells Touma that they can suppress the Virus. Chapter 8, Page 23: Fortis tells Touma that he doesn't have to join, but they'd feel safer with more comrades.
__________________
|
2011-02-12, 16:24 | Link #238 |
Banned
|
The current debate isn't about good or evil. This is just about whether the Huck's need to kill to survive. An EC infected person will lose sanity AND life if they don't kill.
The partial cure allows them to keep control, so it only affects the sanity part. In order to stay alive, they still need to kill. |
Tags |
manga, nanoha force |
|
|