2007-01-31, 14:01 | Link #221 |
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i dont know if hidan is weak, sure he lost to one dude, but lets keep in mind some see shikamaru as a potenial hokage candidate, also shika had to lose pieces to nderstand hidans weaknesses.
I think the biggest problem with hidan is over confidence he has shown great taijutsu and an extremely effective and deadly skill that could, if used properly defeat almost any opponent. But since he cant die (seemingly) he takes many risks. he simply figures he cant die so whatever happens doesnt matter, he shows no fear of being just a head... As far as thier team, i think they are together for 2 reasons, 1 they both have a sort of immortality 2 from kazuku's words, he would kill his partner, hidan cant die, simple solution |
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So, it basically impossible for someone to actually have the chance to see HIdan abilities and live to tell it.
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2007-01-31, 14:21 | Link #223 | |
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Shiki is smart but he has a way to go before you can actually count him as Hokage candidate. He is still a one trick pony with his shadow bind. Put him against someone like Kakuzu, he is a dead man. Only against someone as dumb as Hiden would his traps work.
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2007-01-31, 14:31 | Link #224 | |
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Yes, most probaly Shika can't defeat Kakuuzu on his own, however, Kakuuzu himself has fallen into shikamaru traps, as also people as temary, who was said to be a good analyst herself.
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2007-01-31, 14:46 | Link #226 | |
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2007-01-31, 14:47 | Link #227 |
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Shika's definitely not Kage lvl, but even so, matching an Akatsuki member is a tall order for anyone. Even Kages have been defeated by members(or former members) of Akatsuki. Also, I don't understand why so many people keep calling Shikamaru a one trick pony. He only uses Shadow justu but he has 4 or 5 different Shadow jutsus. It's like saying Kankoru is a one trick pony because he only uses Puppet techniques or Yamato is a one trick pony because he only uses mokuton. Nearly everyone in the series uses at most two or three different jutsu regularly.
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2007-01-31, 15:51 | Link #229 | |
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We don't know if Yamato only uses Mokuton, we havn't really seen him let loose yet. As Kankoru, his puppets are very verstile. As sasori is show he can command an army of puppets which can do offense/defense and even scouting. The shadow bind is more of a support technique. Its defensive and offensive capabilites are very limited without support. Kankuro's puppets capability is as vary as the number and type of puppet he has. Hiden's biggest advantage is suprise. Once someone figure how he did the curse stuff with the blood and the circle he is very easy to deal with.
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2007-01-31, 16:20 | Link #233 | |
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Me too man! They should move it back to wednesdays. |
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2007-01-31, 16:22 | Link #234 | ||
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1. After immoblizing the target with the shadow. What can Shiki do with the target? nothing. He needs other peopel around to deal with the target once he binds them. 2. The shadow bind is useless in countering objects and energy throw at him. Now that i think about it. It will absolutely useless against a puppet user who is hiding inside his puppet. 3. It is also useless against mid/long range attackers. since his shadows won't be able to reach those attackers but his attacker could attack him. For Shiki's shadow bind to be successful he needs terrain that is favorable to him. Forest area's with lot of trees where he can use thier shadows or a area where he setup traps ahead of time. On flat or netural ground where he didn't get a chance to set things up before hand. He would be in serious trouble against someone who specalize in mid/long range attacks or a puppet user. Also since Shiki doesn't have a lot of Chakara his opponent can just wait him out even if he is caught in his shadow bind. Quote:
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2007-01-31, 16:22 | Link #235 |
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Ahhhh man, I am sooo late on this discussion. Real life, and World of Warcraft sure takes up allot of time *sigh* (Windrunner Server, name is Silegna).
Any way, lets get down to business! It's official folks, Shikamaru is the bad ass, of Naruto. His attitude seems more and more like Kakashi's now when Kakashi gets "Serious" I had flashbacks of the Zabuza Arc, every time Kakashi talked down to Zabuza. As for Hidan, as I read most of you guys think that he is still alive. Honestly I'm not so sure I think he is dead mainly because of this. I remember when the whole "How to kill Hidan?" discussion started. I stated that either crush his head, or slice it in half, or just cut him to pieces and bury him. Now, the reason I feel Hidan is dead is because of how it ended Kishimoto made sure in not 1 but 4 frames that the rock was heading for his face, his body is useless without his head, and at the last frame its a "Slam" I think that indicates his head was crushed under the rock hence he is dead. Naruto... Oh man what can I say, I'm happy I loved how things turned out this is a huge, and I mean huge turn around for Naruto. Kishimoto has never once, used a frame showing Naruto's "Thoughts" in terms of battle strategy this is the first time this was done. I feel that Kishimoto is trying to change around "Naruto's stupidity" and finally giving him his own frames where he can figure things out on his own. Which is great if you ask me, because its about time I mean the kid is about 15 with who knows how many years of training experience (the Kage Bunshin training). So we finally know how Kakashi's hand was hurt, it is as most of us had suspected, as cliché as it was where two people pass through each other then one person falls I loved how Kakashi looked back at Naruto and saw the fourth, at least we know the Manga agrees! (even more) As for Naruto's Jutsu, that’s awesome he created a new jutsu using the wind chakra, for those of you who are thinking that is "the ultimate jutsu" or that is similar to his "ultimate jutsu", dead wrong XD. I feel that’s just a variation, a uncompleted form that is not stable hence the blades come out like that. Most likely the complete form is more compact and compressed and looks totally different and, will be at 100% power and not 50%. We will have to wait and see, all in all great chapter. Edit: Ehh, I just went and checked out all the spoilers. Bah, there is too damn many for me to care, and consider. So I'm not taking in to consideration of any of them untill one of them is confirmed by H. However, the thought of Naruto's Wind Shuriken spinning in his palm to deflect fire, or act is a shield is not totally unbelievable. That’s common sense, hell when he held it up toward the sky over his head, I thought Krillen or Helicopter.
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2007-01-31, 16:36 | Link #236 | |
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I wonder though if they're going give Shika more screen time from now on or if they're going to give the others a chance to shine like him. So no wonder you've been gone are you at lvl 70 now? (Aegwyn Server, Sunovavic) |
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But then again every Ninja, no matter whatis his specializatiopn, should have a weaknees in his Jutsu, for example, Sharingan becomes useless whit a heavy fog. Quote:
And I think you are forgetting about one specific Jutsu from Shikamaru, and is the One that creates the countless spikes, The Kage Nui. The first time he used it was against Sai Ink animals which without binding them he impaled a couple of them. And it has a good range. He also used it against Hidan, but could not impaled him with success given Hidan successfully dodge them. Chuckcfs,Tha fight between Sasuke and Temary was Anime filler and Xellos is a He, not a She….
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2007-01-31, 16:49 | Link #238 |
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heh, I see a lot of girly girls (his avatar and signature) so I "jumped in to conclusion" but anyways, even though that was an anime filler, it could still be valid right? That wind, even though wind < fire, but wind can still deflect fire? I am still kinda confused on the elemental subject.
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2007-01-31, 16:52 | Link #239 |
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hmmm, another tricky one, If the wind Jutsu is at the same strength as the Fire Jutsu, it is going to make the Fire stronger, However, I think that if the Fire is a lot weaker, then the Wind should deflect or even turn out the fire.
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I can't believe you also forgot the shadow neck bind. That also makes your point moot. Bind someone then use the shadow hand to choke them. Of course you also forgot about the kage nui. Shika doesn't even need to get the shadow bind on you to attack with the shadow needles. This gives him a mid range offensive jutsu. Now he has the chakra blades. Did you see the kagemane shuriken no jutsu? He can bind someone from a distance and be free to follow up with an attack. That technique is almost broken. Quote:
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Now this is where being a super genius with an over 200 IQ comes in handy. Shika has shown the ability to get the shadow bind on every opponent he has faced. Including a couple of smart long distance fighters in Temari and Tayuya. And a guy who bragged about his awesome battle experience in Kakuzu. Quote:
The kagemane can bind multiple opponents. You can take direct control of them and use them as an attacking puppet like was shown with Hidan. The kage kubi shibari can hold specific areas of an opponent and strengthen the bound. Or just kill the opponent outright. Shika was able to break his own finger with it when he was 13. I imagine it’s a lot stronger now. The kage nui is an offensive jutsu that acts like having a bunch of shadow tentacles. Shika demonstrated this by flinging a chakra blade with them. He also used them to quickly wrap those tags around Hidan. They become almost like a living extension of the user. So you can see how useful his techniques are, even in a solo setting. Calling Shika a one trick pony is like calling Gaara a one trick pony because all he uses is sand. |
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