2014-11-08, 04:23 | Link #221 |
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Countering Cocytus?
Lina has the almigthy Parade that counters all kinds of target base magic; unless Cocytus can be cast as an AOE; Parade is is one of the best counter magic. Its only weakness so far is people who can "see through it" Like Erika's intinct or AOE magic.
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2014-11-08, 09:12 | Link #222 | |
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And I reread the part about Lina thinking about how Miyuki didn't use Cocytus in their duel. Don't forget, when the two dueled Lina wasn't using Parade because the two girls were busy throwing their big spells at each other. The problem isn't that Parade cannot counter Cocytus, but rather Parade cannot counter the other spells in Miyuki's arsenal so it's pointless to keep it up. If she was specifically trying to counter Cocytus then Parade would likely be effective. Last edited by Zoks; 2014-11-08 at 09:32. |
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2014-11-08, 23:41 | Link #223 | |
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You read a story BUT don't actually believe what the story tells you then what the heck are you reading it for? Beside, my main point is: The original source is always the most trustworthy source! Always!!!! If you think the LN is bad, the wikia is worse.
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2014-11-09, 00:56 | Link #225 |
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Yeah, TV trope. There is nothing suggesting that Mahouka has an unreliable narrator. This is just something that you're stating to be fact when there is no evidence. All the narration matches accurately with the rest of the story, the only time we have seen thoughts conflict with facts in the story is when it comes to Tatsuya's inner monologue. Tatsuya has been seen underestimating himself through internal thoughts and isn't always entirely accurate, but Tatsuya isn't the narrator. There is absolutely nothing suggesting that the Mahouka narrator is unreliable. Provide some evidence in the form of quotes if you want to prove it, instead of just stating it like a fact.
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2014-11-09, 07:44 | Link #226 | |
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Besides that fine but I'll give my opinion instead, Tatsuya is actually the narrator.
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2014-11-09, 08:16 | Link #227 | |
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Secondly Tatsuya clearly isn't the narrator of many statements. Here is an example of some narration in Mahouka. The final paragraph at the end of volume 7. "The Scorched Halloween. Future historians would look back upon this day and refer to it as such. It was a turning point in military history, just as it was a turning point in history. This was the day that magic was proven to have surpassed mechanical, nuclear, and biological arms. Bared before all was the truth that magic alone determined the outcome between victory and defeat. This was the true dawn of history for the race known as Magicians, in all of its high glory and darkest suffering. " This is narration in mahouka, it's clearly not Tatsuya narrating this. The narration in mahouka clearly isn't unreliable, there isn't a single example of it being unreliable in the entire series. You want another example of narration? The entire untouchable chapter is a narrator recounting the events of the Dahan incident. The narration isn't Tatsuya and it certainly isn't unreliable unless you mean to question an entire chapter in the series... There is a big difference between Tatsuya being wrong in internal monologues and the actual narration being unreliable. See if you can find a single example of unreliable narration in mahouka and post a quote. |
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2014-11-09, 08:32 | Link #228 |
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no time atm to look for quotes but IMO a lot of the narration gives off the unreliable narration feel. Also when you say Inner monologue of Tatsuya I didn't see him always talking instead it's the narration doing the wording IIRC.
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2014-11-10, 03:54 | Link #229 | |
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You missed the point. Your comment about wikia was, true but that's just it. It added nothing to the conversation. Look at Jirachier's post when he tells someone that Wikia is full of faults. He supported his argument. |
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2014-11-19, 02:55 | Link #230 | |
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The parasites, for example, are described as having no eidos to target and thus tatsuya and most magicians cannot really damage them. But cocytus manages to destroy them. This is why I do not believe that defensive abilities like contact-type gram demolition, parade, or phalanx could counter cocytus either, though on her own (without linking to Tatsuya to access elemental sight as she did with the parasites) she would probably need your physical target coordinates to access your 'mind' and target cocytus so Parade is more likely to succeed. It is probably the most powerful spell in mahouka, perhaps even more dangerous than tatsuya's decomposition abilities. Since the pushion information body that constitutes the 'mind' seems to be a separate information body from the physical bodies 'eidos'. Eidos is defined as a record of 'phenomena', or physical objects/forces, in the idea. So I do not think things that fortify your eidos offer protection from cocytus. I also currently think that Cocytus is one of the few things in the world that could actually kill Tatsuya, as the MCA is likely (inferring from various descriptions in the novels) part of the 'mind' in the idea, and while Tatsuya will auto-self-restore no matter what happens to his body (he repeatedly implies that even having his head or heart destroyed, a full self-restoration would trigger and he would repair), the program/spell which resides in his natural MCA in his 'mind' would be frozen/destroyed by cocytus. Also since Tatsuya's memories are not rewound when the body is restored, we can assume that self-restoration only affects the eidos of his physical body and has no effect on the 'mind' in the idea, so even if self-restoration activated it wouldn't actually repair the damage from Cocytus. Basically, Miyuki is one scary princess. |
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2014-11-19, 06:39 | Link #233 |
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Gram Dispersion, Phalanx, Parade. Any counter magic should be enough but it's the skill of the user who is more important, not many magicians could be able to stop Miyuki's strongest magic, theoritically Tomitsuka should be able to counter it but I think her power will overwhelm his armor. The best counter so far is Parade IMO.
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2014-11-19, 16:36 | Link #234 |
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That would be my assessment as well, as parade not only obscures the physical location from targeting, but provides a dummy eidos file in the idea to further mess it up.
Tatsuya sensory linked to Miyuki though, where she could target Cocytus directly through the idea, is probably completely unstoppable. And I still harbor doubts that contact type gram demo or phalanx would provide any protection. The sequence would need to be targeted and destroyed before it launches by gram demo or dispersion, and considering miyukis cast time and the needed time for dispersion, hitting her with gram demo right at the start of the cast is likely the only counter. So really miyuki and tatsuya are the only ones who could defeat each other. |
2014-11-30, 03:10 | Link #236 |
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Could someone remind me what FAE theory stands for and explain it too? I think I remember it having something to do with when magic is cast the laws of physics momentarily stop or something like that. Or is that something else entirely. Or did I misunderstand a large part of one of the LNs?
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2014-11-30, 04:29 | Link #237 | |
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2014-11-30, 05:04 | Link #238 | |
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Have the LNs ever stated specifically where the MCA is? I think I remember it not being part of the physical body but I can't think of any specific information to support that claim. |
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2014-11-30, 06:47 | Link #239 | |
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Magic Calculation Area and Magic Calculation Zone are the same. |
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2014-11-30, 14:00 | Link #240 | |
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My thoughts are probably closer to speculation than anything else but the data fits for me. Half of the questions I'll ask will be just to see other people's interpretations or opinions. I'll just phrase it like I'm an idiot. |
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