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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 58 | 41.13% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 16.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 6.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.71% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-18, 15:43 | Link #222 | |
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Honestly, this particular twist resonates nicely for me because I think it's very true to life. There have been times where I've learned that someone I know likes another person that I know, and I felt completely blindsided because I never would have expected the relationship to be anything but platonic. In some cases it's just been outright fucking random, like the time this one girl turned out to be madly, yandereishly in love with someone I thought she was barely even friends with, with a guy I couldn't possibly see how they might have any chemistry together. Hitomi stating that she liked Kamijou reminded me of those times, the 'Holy shit' feeling of learning about those deeper feelings that lurk under the surface. I liked it. (And I can actually see why Hitomi would feel that way and think she'd make a good match with Kamijou, unlike the real life instance I just mentioned.) |
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Therefore, stopping yourself on a single description line, where how the characters are played and the actual consequences matter the most, doesn't exactly ring me as a very good statement. Quote:
A situation is deemed X or Y, depending of the person affected by it. Otherwise, should a person A consider themselves "lucky" to earn xxxx$ per month, because a person B consider that lucky, because they earn a lower wage? The fact Kyoko settled her mind doesn't make Sayaka's situation any less reasonable that it is. It may work for Kyoko, but that doesn't mean other girls would accept it readily like that. Quote:
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It is actually the same basis: an individual will think of a given situation this way, while another may think otherwise. It is all dependant of their circumstances, backstory, personality and whatnot. In the case of Sayaka, for now, she is unable to cope with it, and I see no reason for it be unreasonable: she learns her existence isn't like it was before, and basically sees her different, not human. Quote:
Do you really think powers are actually the issue here? Why would Sayaka turn quite excited when she is having her first sortie against a witch? That is really not the issue. The sole issue is that -she does not see her human any longer-. Period. You may say that it is awesome, but I personally disagree: I can't imagine how awesome it is to be in some sort of avatar instead of being actually yourself. As for Setsuna, what she says is a exclamation of her fear of rejection, because she isn't human. The fact she has powers isn't the issue, but the wings are a proof she isn't "human", which is the true issue. And as shown afterwards, she learns that people do not care that much if she is human or not, clearing her fears and mind. That doesn't make the character wrong by any means: it is something that is perfectly reasonable for people who fear rejection and the likes, and I see no reason to think that it is a stretch that someone can't see themselves as human as their peers. Quote:
That's actually why I think you are simply looking at the practical aspect of the situation, whereas the important factor is how a character is responding to it. Quote:
Turning everything on logic and practical aspect just doesn't cut it when we are dealing with a character responding emotionally. I would actually agree if Sayaka starts saying that "the body is unpractical and whatnot". However, it is perfectly clear that she considers herself as "non human", which cannot be explained with pure logic, but rather with affect and psyche. Quote:
And I don't get how you consider it as a "endless amount of angst". The girl barely get hit by such revelation, and doesn't have any idea what do to for now, then before she could even even suck it up, one of her best friends nudge the very touchy subject, leading to even more complications. And everything probably lasted for less than a week, so I really don't see how you can label it as "endless amount of angst". As much as I find Sayaka flawed and that she had it coming, I believe the "angst" she has displayed is perfectly in line with the situation and character. It would be quite unatural for her to accept it as readily as Kyoko, or being able to cope it after Hitomi's ultimatum.
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2011-02-18, 15:50 | Link #224 |
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It's a matter of plot convenience. Speaking as a writer myself, if I wanted to drive a character nuts, that would be the perfect place to put it. Sayaka is at her most vulnerable, just recovering off one big revelation.
The problem with plot conveniences, is that they come out of nowhere. There is no buildup, and they come at the absolute perfect moment; almost like a reverse Dues Ex. For a writer, they are handy, but they strain the suspense of belief for the audience. If Gen planned this, it would have worked better had he done some foreshadowing. Say have Sayaka run into Hitomi at the hospital, or mention that Hitomi came by, or they visit together. Or have some sort of conversation about Kamijou, where we can see looks on Hitomi's face that show she was obviously troubled about something. Sure, we might not have divined the reason why, but when ep7 rolled around, we would have looked back and gone, "Oooh, yeah, so that's what her issue was." Part of the issue was how cold Hitomi came across, and how little time she gave, too. 1 day. Some friend. "Hey, you know that girl you like? Giving you one day to confess your feelings for her. If you don't, I'm making a move!" So everything seems perfectly tuned to inflict the greatest amount of angst onto Sayaka. |
2011-02-18, 15:51 | Link #225 |
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I can only put it down to Urobochi's genius that so many highly-repped people are totally missing the point and posting the negative things that they are.
Buttons pushed and raw nerves touched, much? Yes, indeed. Maybe you have to have accepted a devil's bargain yourself to understand how Sayaka feels... |
2011-02-18, 15:55 | Link #227 |
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Hitomi's actions seems as though she was actually just doing it to force sayaka to be true to herself. Considering her reaction in the classroom when kamijo came to school. she was looking at sayaka not kamijo. Good intentions not knowing about the MS situation sayaka is in. well of course good intentions can go bad. I could be wrong tho and Hitomi really does love Kamijo.
the witch's silhouete does look like a girl ( former MS? )kneeling and praying. of course it's all dark. ahh C1000 CM, miss mah CC lemon drink those were my fave when i was in japan along with pocari ^^ homura as madoka's daughter? hehe just random thoughts before i read the thread. |
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And sorry. My question was if other MGs in MG shows didn't also not ask all imaginable things.
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2011-02-18, 16:10 | Link #230 | |
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What scares me is that indeed she might try to put herself back on that pedestal by overdoing it and being a "crusador for good".She'll still want to go after familiars,but I think the even if Kyoko was pretty sympathetic in this episode,she made a pretty clear point that she doesn't like food being wasted,and to her killing familars is like wasting food. So I could see them clash again,except that since episode 5 I'd say Sayaka has become a much tougher oponent for Kyoko,Sayaka might not be technicaly superior but she doesn't feel pain anymore so I'm not sure Kyoko would get the better end of that fight.
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It has nothing to do with trying to make a cynical magical girl show, or trying to account for some supposed lack of maturity. Quote:
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I disagree. If you only show one character die, then that death starts to seem like an isolated incident the longer you go on without another character death. So the impact of it wanes in time if it isn't complimented by other casualties. At this point, the impact of Mami's death has waned for me, and it's starting to seem a bit isolated to me. Quote:
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One day is not plenty of time for a young girl with a big crush to gather up the courage to make a confession. Hitomi could be more considerate here, imo.
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2011-02-18, 16:17 | Link #233 |
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I don't think Kyoko's past is necessarily a death flag, I mean we have to learn something about all the characters eventually and if learning about them means they die then shoot, no character will live through any anime. What set me off on Mami was a sudden past combined with "after this is over lets have cake"
With that said I fear for the lives of all the characters in this show, I feel Madoka likely wont die, but I also feel everyone else might at some point or another. Just like Sayaka any development right now in this show is answered with "death flags!" ever since Mami's demise. |
2011-02-18, 16:18 | Link #234 | |
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Sayaka: Ugh *trapped by a witch* Kyoko: How many times do you need me to tell you?! *frees Sayaka and attacks witch* Sayaka: Both of you are evil! DIE! *stabs witch by stabbing through Kyoko's soul gem* Madoka: No!!! Heh |
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2011-02-18, 16:37 | Link #235 |
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I'll say this - Madoka Magica is a magical girl anime reflected through a mirror darkly. It's like looking at your own reflection in a mirror in a very dark (but not pitch black) room. All the major characters in this are like stock magical girl character types, but made a touch darker (and probably a touch more realistic).
Madoka is more timid and given to panic attacks than Cardcaptor Sakura. Otherwise, they're a lot alike. Sayaka is less emotionally stable than Nanoha. Otherwise, they're a lot alike. Kyoko is a bit more selfish than Vita. Otherwise, they're a lot alike. Homura maintains her cold exterior better than Fate did. Otherwise, they're a lot alike. And I don't think I need to explain Kyubey. So, it's like taking all of these magical girl character types, and giving them a more dark and imperfect reflection. And that's fine. That's good. It is somewhat original. But I guess I was expecting Madoka Magica to be a magical girl anime reflected through a cracked mirror. But who knows, maybe in the end the "through a mirror darkly" approach will work best. I'll keep up my hopes there.
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Explain to me how/when Nanoha was ever screwed over the way Sayaka was just screwed over, and is (in my opinion) obviously going to be completely destroyed in the upcoming eps. Quote:
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2011-02-18, 16:49 | Link #239 |
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Btw, are we supposed to take Kyoko at face value when she said the world is balanced out. For all the hope (wishes) there needs to be equal despair brought into the world?
Or should we just take that as the lesson Kyoko took from her past (ie: while true to her perspective, might not be true in the bigger scheme of things). |
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In some ways, it was even worse than Sayaka. Sayaka just found out another girl likes the boy she likes. Oh, and her body is more durable then before. But I've said before that the better comparisons are Madoka to Mai HiME. You can pretty much transplant HiME characters to Madoka and vice versa, and not get much change, heh. Quote:
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