2012-09-06, 22:19 | Link #221 | |
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I can have useful conversations with them. In this case, we're just getting a poster child example of why the GOP is careening off a cliff. And yeah, I was disappointed in Obama's speech, but mostly because it was very mild in comparison with Elizabeth Warren, Bill Clinton, or Joe Biden. Warren nailed the corruption (that is ruining both parties), Clinton gave the informative lecture on basic arithmetic, Biden went for the heartstrings ... Obama just seemed muted compared with some of his past speeches. OTOH, he was on point with his bullet items, detailing the specifics of why the GOP has become toxic for America, bad for the community, bad for small business, and bad for the world.
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2012-09-06, 22:57 | Link #222 |
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I'm disappointed in both of them.
And while I know he's not going to win, I'm not wasting my vote on either Obaminey or Mittrack. My vote is going to the only choice I think I have in this election.
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2012-09-06, 23:35 | Link #223 | |
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2012-09-07, 00:26 | Link #224 | |
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That being said, the DNC put on a great convention. Strong on message, beautifully presented (from the organically shaped podium to the free flowing colours and tones and of course strong use of technology), and some great speeches and orators. The is one of the best presented conventions I have seen in years, at least since 2004, probably even longer (the 1984 RNC convention was quite good). Last edited by james0246; 2012-09-07 at 01:20. Reason: wrong convention... |
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2012-09-07, 04:27 | Link #225 |
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New York Times has a fact check on the Obama and Biden speeches. They really didn't make too much stuff up in comparison to the "behind the looking glass" upside-down nonsense spewed out by the GOP last week. However, there were a number of items the NYT do call out.
Speeches are about persuasion after all.... but I don't think anyone beat Clinton on the deluge of facts he presented. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/us...-speeches.html
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2012-09-07, 06:05 | Link #226 |
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Call this a gut feeling, but what truly frightens me is how there is an insidious radicalization on the Democrat side and among “liberals“ in general. The desperate movements of the new GOP seems to have had the paradox effect of making the other side feel ever more rightous, to the point of being able to brush aside opposite views with accusations of fascism and racism, while ignoring diversity of view.
In a way even the insane current GOP is right: the US is now in a hard-core split between the conservatives and the liberals. The fantasy pictures of the Constitution being trampled upon by Obama (as representing the Democrats) does have a lining of truth to it. |
2012-09-07, 06:33 | Link #229 | |
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As for not being tolerant...I seriously think the President bent over backwards to negotiate in good faith with the Republicans to find some middle ground. Heck some even argue that Democrats are spineless wimps who bow to Republican demands. But as for the rhetoric that probably nauseates you...it's something of a vicious cycle. If one starts by completely rejecting anything the other side proposes, the other side just feels that it's useless to negotiate and the whole thing just becomes a war of attrition.
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2012-09-07, 06:49 | Link #230 | |
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When one side just plugs their ears and goes, "Lalalala I can't hear you", and instead of doing any level of true debating just spits out talking points full of lies, of course the other side is going to become less tolerant of their bullshit. This isn't radicalization, this is adapting to the climate being forced upon the system by the real radicals. |
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2012-09-07, 07:17 | Link #231 |
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When such “adaption” means bashing almost all seemingly conservative views, there is something wrong. It's a trend I've been noticing: People are now becoming more intolerant of any opposige view, and they think it's solely a reaction to the GOP. It's gone further than reaction into action.
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2012-09-07, 07:56 | Link #232 |
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I haven't seen any more bashing of "all" conservative views any moreso than there's been for the last few decades. I see bashing of ridiculous GOP views that are detrimental to society and humans as a whole, but if you can give me a valid reason for infringing on human rights I'm more than welcome to hearing it.
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2012-09-07, 08:27 | Link #233 | |
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To claim the American Democrats as radicals would require the rest of the Western world be labelled as the Soviet Union. No, seriously. Which part of the Democratic platform is Far-Left?
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2012-09-07, 09:51 | Link #235 |
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We did, you're simply not making sense or you need to explain your self better. When one person in the room is bashing everyone else with a bat and they respond to that, they aren't "radicalizing their views" towards that batty person. Its a misuse of the language.
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2012-09-07, 09:53 | Link #236 |
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Once again, I fail to see how Dems have hardened. They have become Republicans of old; doesn't that mean the exact opposite from hardening? Dems became like their old enemies while their enemies went insane.
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2012-09-07, 10:28 | Link #238 |
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Let us then hope the US does not meet a similar fate to the Weimar Republic... And should that fate transpire then let us hope even more that the US would not react in a similar manner to the German people.
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