Macross Delta - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[magnuskn]

Yeah, not that inspired. Although wasn't there something about them using names of real flying legends in this show?

[Tak]

Yeah but Gramia? Then you have Boy Come Fart Bogue Con-Vaart... nah

Though to be fair, the idea of air cavalry had been played with by Kawamori in a number of his misc designs and sketches. Its finally coming into fruition, and ep 4 does not disappoint.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Probably not a real name, true. ^^

[Tak]

Its like first they throw us an assemble of British boy bands and all the sudden toss a Viking at us.

- Tak

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Tak

And usually they are accompanied by cool names. I mean, WTH is Llyod, Keith and Herman? Really? Really!?

- Tak

Maybe that's the reason for the xenophobia and the war? They just don't like their names.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Just realized Hayate dancing this episode wasn't reacting to Freyja's fold waves but to Mikumo's. Which means he doesn't exclusively react this way to Freyja.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

My theory.

Spoiler:

The motivation to take over the Protoculture legacy is out of pride and an imagined slight by humanity. Windermere is a culture that believes it would inherit the stars yet these Humans come already having an interstellar civilization just because they got lucky or unlucky with a Supervision Army gunship. Taming the Zentradi and uniting the Children of the Protoculture under their banner.

To compound it a bunch of transhumanist cyborgs tried to take over the galaxy with the Vajra threatening every NUN world simultaneously.

Their grudge as Bogue puts it is that Earthers are better than them in everything.

Earth had the Bird Human guarding them and was spared. Earthers did what the Protoculture could not tame the Protodevlin. The ruins of Rax gave its secrets as Humans chose to mix their blood with fellow Children of the Protoculture.

BTW, how does the whole interspecies breeding work out? It's simply possible because the entire gamut of humanoid species was seeded by the Protoculture race?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Just realized Hayate dancing this episode wasn't reacting to Freyja's fold waves but to Mikumo's. Which means he doesn't exclusively react this way to Freyja.

You're reading too much into it. He was dancing because it was fun. He doesn't need weird powers to enjoy the music, and he was always good at dancing in a battroid.

[ReddyRedWolf]

We don't know about the Brisingr Alliance only that Roid mentioned them. Brisingr means fire. Which is interesting as Windermere is associated with Wind and Ragna is associated with water. Since we are traveling planets in this series encounter Sub-Protoculture home planet is possible.

On another note I remember in an episode of Macross Frontier a history teacher at Alto's class mention there are 17 known Protoculture planets. Worlds that were colonies or had artifacts. Worlds that we know of and possibly in the list were Earth, New Asia, Varauta, Rax and Ouroboros. Now we can add Windermere to that list. Since Mao Nome was the foremost expert on the Protoculture I wonder if she ever visited Windermere.

It is possible almost every seeded world has Protoculture ruins or relics. The most ancient relic on Zola that we know of were writings on the Whale bones that depict the White Whale as a a undying god. In Macross Frontier we learn that the Protoculture were animists. The Mayans worshiped the Protoculture as gods but they had other folklore. The Bird Human, the Fish Human and Kaduns. Mayans had a genetic memory of the Protoculture's culture.

Windermereans worship the Great Wind which to me suggest they are Kadun worshipers.

[Dark Wing]

Oh Macross it's good to have you back!

I really am looking forward to this show's run and also a big plus no shipper wars this time around...so far...

[Tak]

Originally Posted by lfhoule

and the VF-31's got arm mounted pinpoint barriers. Great stuff!!

Valkyries are shielded by default. Pinpoint barriers however, provide focused shielding, and was present since the YF-19, which enhanced both defense and melee.

- Tak

[Gravitas Free Zone]

Semantics: If you're talking about Energy Conversion Armor, I would still lump that under "armor" since it's not projecting a field beyond the material surface itself, unlike the PPB.

Speaking of which, the MacrossWorld recap show for Episode 4 thought that this was the first time that a PPB actually had a status display, versus how the little circles usually just happened before. Perhaps the only other time PPB capacity figures were mentioned was the time that it blew up Canada, though I could be wrong.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Gravitas Free Zone

Semantics: If you're talking about Energy Conversion Armor, I would still lump that under "armor" since it's not projecting a field beyond the material surface itself, unlike the PPB.

We are mainly focused on PPBs here, and they have been present since YF-19 and YF-21 first rolled out. Do the VF-31s have improved versions? Yes. But new tech? Nah.

ECAs otoh, well, thats been around since the days of VF-1.

If there is any innovation at this point aside from the obvious improved power output on the VF-31, then its the internalized dual gunpods. Bonus if the VF-31 can fold without boosters.

- Tak

[Annorax]

Didnt integrated pods already appeared on yf29?
Also poor Canada...

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Annorax

Didnt integrated pods already appeared on yf29?
Also poor Canada...

Wuh? What happened to Coldnada?

On topic: Internal weapons tend to be backup features on the VF, but weren't used primarily. The VF-31 is the first to completely ditch the gunpoad.

YF-29


- Tak

[Gravitas Free Zone]

Originally Posted by Tak

Wuh? What happened to Coldnada?

Super Dimension Fortress Macross episode 19 happened to Canada, or "That one time we tried to do something new with the Pinpoint Barrier."

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Gravitas Free Zone

Super Dimension Fortress Macross episode 19 happened to Canada, or "That one time we tried to do something new with the Pinpoint Barrier."

You mean the episode where Macross wiped out Canada's only city?

- Tak

[kk2extreme]

So Frejya is technically a middle age woman

[Tak]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

So Frejya is technically a middle age woman

AGE.IS.NO.ISSUE

Hayate, be a man!

Take them both.

- Tak (and Mikumo)

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Tak

(and Mikumo)

Implying Mikumo isn't more man than he will ever be.