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skaianDestiny · 2017-02-13, 04:59

When do you think they're gonna release more detailed info, such as armament, about the new ships like for 2199?

Ithekro · 2017-02-13, 05:22

If they do it like they did for the film, probably around the release date.

If they do it like some of the Gamilas ships....in some book down the road. Or when the model kit comes out. Or when it comes up in a magazine.

bensellers · 2017-02-13, 11:46

So random thought- the color scheme on the Cometine Battleship that ambushes those cruisers in the trailer and the one in the recent concept art reminds me a lot of Zordar's DN. Also, Kobayashi released another piece of concept art showing that cometine ship falling to earth, with Yuunagi in pursuit. My random theory- the Cometine BB is scouting earth, gets forced down, and they're forced to use that halfway-complete BBY-class vessel from the trailer to shoot it down. Probably completely crazy, but here it is.

TZoli · 2017-02-13, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Also I was looking over one of the older Andromeda models with a friend yesterday while looking at close up images of the new 1/1000 scale model. The differences are there, but most are subtitle. Parts of the ship are lengthened slightly. The ship seems a little bit taller than before. Also has anyone noticed the small third turret between the vertical fins just aft of the bridge? It looks like an older style battleship turret with no barrels, but is too small. Perhaps an older style destroyer turret?

I do not see any other turrets that were not already present on the original Andromeda:
4x3 barrelled shock cannon turrets
4x2 barrel less shock cannon turrets
2x4 casemated shock cannon mounts/blisters
2x2, 2x3 rapid fire laser gun turrets
numerous torpedo/missile tubes (Not sure what are those on the side of the bridge superstructure)
2x Dispersion type Wave Motion Cannons

But I do notice there is a new set of wings just behind the forward 4 secondary engines and located roughly on the opposite side of the first main shock cannon turret.

But on this shot:
https://youtu.be/uZgDJZb1o7M?t=125
which was from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzQ5AC8UENk
You could not see that extra wing!
Nor were they present at the 4 Andromeda-Mod ships under construction I've posted a screenshot earlier.

Ithekro · 2017-02-13, 17:36

That isn't an extra set of wings, but a detail of what the wing looks like under the lower cylinders. At least if what you are looking at is what I think you are looking at.

Look at the scene of Andromeda firing her aft shock cannons. What is the the object between the fins above X turret? It looks like a triple turret in an older style or a Gamilas turret style.

bensellers · 2017-02-13, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

That isn't an extra set of wings, but a detail of what the wing looks like under the lower cylinders. At least if what you are looking at is what I think you are looking at.

Look at the scene of Andromeda firing her aft shock cannons. What is the the object between the fins above X turret? It looks like a triple turret in an older style or a Gamilas turret style.

It looked to me like it was a triple AA pulse laser, just seen at a weird angle. I'm pretty sure the old andromeda mounted one there too.

Ithekro · 2017-02-13, 18:45

If it is, it appears to have no barrels on it, nor the model kit.

bensellers · 2017-02-13, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

If it is, it appears to have no barrels on it, nor the model kit.

Oh well I stand corrected. Maybe some sort of sensor?

Ithekro · 2017-02-13, 21:51

Not sure. I don't think it was on the original version of the vessel, though it might be on the Play Station version from around 1999.

skaianDestiny · 2017-02-14, 03:22

https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...86688995762176

AAA-01 Andromeda
AAA-02 Aldebaran
AAA-03 Apollo (katakana is Aporonomu)
AAA-04 Achilles
AAA-05 Antares

Kobayashi refers to them as the "AAA-series", rather than a ship class.

Ithekro · 2017-02-14, 05:02

I was close. I was thinking Altair or Atlas instead of Apollo and Achilles. Unintentional fitting after the passing of Richard Hatch I suppose for Apollo.

I suppose Andromeda-type for the AAA-series. I wonder if there is a BBY-series as well outside of just Yamato.

Space related names, though not exactly consistent in convention other than starting with "A".

Andromeda = galaxy
Aldebaran = star
Apollo = asteroid
Achilles = asteroid
Antares = star

British would call it an "A-class" battleship.

TZoli · 2017-02-14, 15:35

Ahh you mean that little thing on the deck above the 3rd main turret!

I think it is some sort of a countermeasure system like sup-space depth or mine launcher.

Ithekro · 2017-02-14, 16:11

You mean like the ones Yamato used in Ark of the Stars?

Possible.

bensellers · 2017-02-14, 16:39

It does make sense. I'm kinda pissed they didn't fix Andromeda's biggest flaw though- the lack of point defense/AA turrets. Yamato bristles with those things, and the 'more advanced' Andromeda mounts *four*? Also, I saw that the Apollo's lettering is the same as the flagship carrier from Submarine 707R, so make of that what you will.

Ithekro · 2017-02-14, 16:58

We don't know about Andromeda's defenses yet. Could have more missile defense systems instead of so many beam weapons. That or they have put more faith in the shielding and probably number of escorting ships against fighters and missiles over Yamato's single ship defense suite.

skaianDestiny · 2017-02-15, 01:03

Reading through Kobayashi's Twitter it looks like AAA stands for Advanced Ability Armament. The name of the class is the Andromeda-class.

Ithekro · 2017-02-15, 11:00

Speaking of Andromeda

http://bandai-hobby.net/site/yamato2202/

What does this ad say the things that pop out near the bow are? Or does it just tell that the model has a pop out feature without going into what they are? (the smaller image box above the image of the small Cosmo Tiger II).

Also notice that the cruiser Intrepid has an insignia and lettering saying it is a Medical Ship.

Ithekro · 2017-02-16, 01:56

Spent much of today working on gaming sheets for the convention. Decided to give the older Earth ships the same basic weaponry as the Gamilas ships, just calling them short barreled shock cannons. This is not much of an upgrade from their Battle of Pluto appearance in the game, save of course the shock cannons can actually pierce Galmilas armor. In terms of damage, the Earth batteries only gained one more point of damage at all ranges verses their older versions. The cruiser and battleship gained an upgraded bow cannon one step better than the previous model, but have a 50% longer recharge time than before. Plus the ability to warp.

The torpedo boat is a compromise between the Isokaze and the slightly better Yukikaze. The Isokaze's smaller hull resistance size. Yukikaze's larger torpedo capacity and engine speed. Plus warping ability. The weapon's arcs are between the two versions, losing the after 60 arc of fire from one battery. The guns are all upgraded to short barreled light shock cannons, meaning the are one point of damage more powerful than they were before (equal in damage and range to a Gamilas destroyer light energy cannon).

I can see an advantage of having these ships with the Gamilas Fleet. The Earth ships have more energy weapons than their larger Gamilas counterparts, which tend to have more missiles. While the Earth guns are smaller in diameter to Gamilas guns, I figure the damage output of an Iscandarian based weapon is better than those of a Gamilas based weapon. The Kongo's guns are actually larger than the Gamilas usual battleship guns, but they are equal here to those on the battlecruisers and the upgraded battleships.

skaianDestiny · 2017-02-16, 04:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The torpedo boat is a compromise between the Isokaze and the slightly better Yukikaze. The Isokaze's smaller hull resistance size. Yukikaze's larger torpedo capacity and engine speed. Plus warping ability. The weapon's arcs are between the two versions, losing the after 60 arc of fire from one battery. The guns are all upgraded to short barreled light shock cannons, meaning the are one point of damage more powerful than they were before (equal in damage and range to a Gamilas destroyer light energy cannon).

I recall reading somewhere that it was too small to mount a wave motion core? Might be confusing things.

bensellers · 2017-02-16, 06:53

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Originally Posted by skaianDestiny

I recall reading somewhere that it was too small to mount a wave motion core? Might be confusing things.

I think I remember what you're talking about- it was someone hypothesizing not anything official.

2017-02-13, 05:22	Link #222
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	If they do it like they did for the film, probably around the release date. If they do it like some of the Gamilas ships....in some book down the road. Or when the model kit comes out. Or when it comes up in a magazine. __________________

2017-02-13, 17:36	Link #225
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That isn't an extra set of wings, but a detail of what the wing looks like under the lower cylinders. At least if what you are looking at is what I think you are looking at. Look at the scene of Andromeda firing her aft shock cannons. What is the the object between the fins above X turret? It looks like a triple turret in an older style or a Gamilas turret style. __________________

2017-02-13, 18:45	Link #227
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	If it is, it appears to have no barrels on it, nor the model kit. __________________

2017-02-13, 21:51	Link #229
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Not sure. I don't think it was on the original version of the vessel, though it might be on the Play Station version from around 1999. __________________

2017-02-14, 05:02	Link #231
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I was close. I was thinking Altair or Atlas instead of Apollo and Achilles. Unintentional fitting after the passing of Richard Hatch I suppose for Apollo. I suppose Andromeda-type for the AAA-series. I wonder if there is a BBY-series as well outside of just Yamato. Space related names, though not exactly consistent in convention other than starting with "A". Andromeda = galaxy Aldebaran = star Apollo = asteroid Achilles = asteroid Antares = star British would call it an "A-class" battleship. __________________

2017-02-13, 04:59	Link #221
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	When do you think they're gonna release more detailed info, such as armament, about the new ships like for 2199?

2017-02-13, 11:46	Link #223
bensellers Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016	So random thought- the color scheme on the Cometine Battleship that ambushes those cruisers in the trailer and the one in the recent concept art reminds me a lot of Zordar's DN. Also, Kobayashi released another piece of concept art showing that cometine ship falling to earth, with Yuunagi in pursuit. My random theory- the Cometine BB is scouting earth, gets forced down, and they're forced to use that halfway-complete BBY-class vessel from the trailer to shoot it down. Probably completely crazy, but here it is.

2017-02-14, 03:22	Link #230
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...86688995762176 AAA-01 Andromeda AAA-02 Aldebaran AAA-03 Apollo (katakana is Aporonomu) AAA-04 Achilles AAA-05 Antares Kobayashi refers to them as the "AAA-series", rather than a ship class.

2017-02-14, 15:35	Link #232
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	Ahh you mean that little thing on the deck above the 3rd main turret! I think it is some sort of a countermeasure system like sup-space depth or mine launcher.

2017-02-14, 16:11	Link #233
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	You mean like the ones Yamato used in Ark of the Stars? Possible. __________________

2017-02-14, 16:39	Link #234
bensellers Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016	It does make sense. I'm kinda pissed they didn't fix Andromeda's biggest flaw though- the lack of point defense/AA turrets. Yamato bristles with those things, and the 'more advanced' Andromeda mounts four? Also, I saw that the Apollo's lettering is the same as the flagship carrier from Submarine 707R, so make of that what you will.

2017-02-14, 16:58	Link #235
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	We don't know about Andromeda's defenses yet. Could have more missile defense systems instead of so many beam weapons. That or they have put more faith in the shielding and probably number of escorting ships against fighters and missiles over Yamato's single ship defense suite. __________________

2017-02-15, 01:03	Link #236
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Reading through Kobayashi's Twitter it looks like AAA stands for Advanced Ability Armament. The name of the class is the Andromeda-class.

2017-02-15, 11:00	Link #237
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Speaking of Andromeda http://bandai-hobby.net/site/yamato2202/ What does this ad say the things that pop out near the bow are? Or does it just tell that the model has a pop out feature without going into what they are? (the smaller image box above the image of the small Cosmo Tiger II). Also notice that the cruiser Intrepid has an insignia and lettering saying it is a Medical Ship. __________________

2017-02-16, 01:56	Link #238
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Spent much of today working on gaming sheets for the convention. Decided to give the older Earth ships the same basic weaponry as the Gamilas ships, just calling them short barreled shock cannons. This is not much of an upgrade from their Battle of Pluto appearance in the game, save of course the shock cannons can actually pierce Galmilas armor. In terms of damage, the Earth batteries only gained one more point of damage at all ranges verses their older versions. The cruiser and battleship gained an upgraded bow cannon one step better than the previous model, but have a 50% longer recharge time than before. Plus the ability to warp. The torpedo boat is a compromise between the Isokaze and the slightly better Yukikaze. The Isokaze's smaller hull resistance size. Yukikaze's larger torpedo capacity and engine speed. Plus warping ability. The weapon's arcs are between the two versions, losing the after 60 arc of fire from one battery. The guns are all upgraded to short barreled light shock cannons, meaning the are one point of damage more powerful than they were before (equal in damage and range to a Gamilas destroyer light energy cannon). I can see an advantage of having these ships with the Gamilas Fleet. The Earth ships have more energy weapons than their larger Gamilas counterparts, which tend to have more missiles. While the Earth guns are smaller in diameter to Gamilas guns, I figure the damage output of an Iscandarian based weapon is better than those of a Gamilas based weapon. The Kongo's guns are actually larger than the Gamilas usual battleship guns, but they are equal here to those on the battlecruisers and the upgraded battleships. __________________