Athrun and Cagalli - any hope?

[lunamariahwk]

I agree!! Kira and Lacus are too perfect for each other. i just hate the way they express their love for each other. Dun get me wrong but i think Lacus should be with Athrun like its supposed to be..

To my knowledge this is what happen in the end.....

Athrun got Meyrin, Kira got Lacus and Shinn got Lunamaria. Wat happen to Cagalli i dun noe. This can b found at you***e.com. Just look for Gundam Seed Destiny Final Episode. Hope this helps!!!

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by carmolita

So, at this point athrun and cagalli are officialy broken up?? Because of the whole yuuna thing right?

No official files or medias ever mentioned Asucaga was broken at the end. They even added additional new cutscene in GSD SE IV showing Cagalli keeping the ring in her personal case. Temporary separation due to certain circumstances does not conclude to breakup. In major magazines (such as NewType, NewType Romance, Animedia, Animage, Plash and Gundam Ace) always had illustration with Athrun and Cagalli together as a couple. Morosawa, in her interview in April 2006 Animedia even confirmed their feelings to each other and their love just began as I mentioned in my previous post.

What whole Yuuna thing were you referring to? If you referred to Cagalli's wedding with Yuuna, in TV GSD episode 39 Cagalli had already asked Athrun to forgive her while Athrun said it was he who should apologize for what he did in Crete battle, as I have mentioned in my previous post.

Originally Posted by JagdPanther

Oro? O.o
I am definitely an Athrun/Cagalli person, but I probably will never get to see that again. Like someone mentioned earlier, they put Meyrin and Athrun together at the end of Final Plus for a reason.

Besides the comments about that walking scene Morosawa mentioned in her interview in April 2006 Animedia, both Sunrise Seed 120% and Ishida Akira, voice actor for Athrun Zala have their separate responses.

1) As I mentioned earlier in my previous note, Morosawa in her April 2006 Animedia interview, said that "although Athrun and Meyrin were there at that scene but what would become of them remained unknown. Perhaps they would be good combination (not couple) or perhaps they would go to separate roads". Athrun's wearing Orb admiral/general uniform and Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform in the new ending sequence of GSD SE IV is pretty much her answer; that is, they went to separate roads and Athrun chose to stay with Orb (Cagalli).

2) Few days later after GSD Final Plus was broadcasted on TV, according to Char Blog on 12/31/2005, Sunrise Seed 120% replied the question to that Final Plus ending walking scene: "Question: who was the winner in the contest for Athrun at the end? Answer: Although Meyrin was with him at the epilogue of GSD Plus, it did not mean Meyrin was the winner. Still, other people even had more chance.".

Q.結局、アスラン争奪戦の勝者は誰だったんでしょう？
A.『FINAL PLUS』のエピローグでメイリンと一緒にいたりしていますが、
メイリンが勝者と決まったわけではありません。
まだまだ、他のキャラクターにもチャンスはありますよ

3) Ishida Akira, voice actor for Athrun Zala, in July 2006 Animedia (where it showed the 2006 Animedia 25th annual ranking - see below*) said that "Meyrin following behind Athrun in that walking scene is possibly the picture service only." That is, that particular scene possibly did not have much further meaning at all per Ishida Akira.

"後ろにメイリンがついてきているのは単に絵なサービスでしょ"

*Note: In BOTH 25th (year 2006) and 26th (year 2007) Animedia annual rankings:
No. 1 popular animation = Gundam Seed series
No. 1 popular male character = Kira Yamato
No. 1 popular female character = Lacus Clyne
No. 5 popular male character = Athrun Zala
No. 7 popular female character = Cagalli Yula Atha

Enjoy!

[Anh_Minh]

What worries me is that it's said that, in the movie, Athrun joins Zaft again. What is he, a jokari ball?

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by boredandsleepy

Athrun's wearing Orb admiral/general uniform and Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform in the new ending sequence of GSD SE IV is pretty much her answer; that is, they went to separate roads and Athrun chose to stay with Orb (Cagalli).

Yes, because we all know that Athrun has such strong dedication to a single side...

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

What worries me is that it's said that, in the movie, Athrun joins Zaft again. What is he, a jokari ball?

Yup. ^_^

My point exactly.

[UPR]

well to be there having there problems but she still holding onto the ring is a sign of something.

I just feel somewhat bad for Shinn the guy could not catch a break maybe wuth Luna they did leave together so maybe something there.

[boredandsleepy]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

What worries me is that it's said that, in the movie, Athrun joins Zaft again. What is he, a jokari ball?

As far as I know, no magazine has yet posted any further news about the upcoming movie. The major magazines (Newtype, Animage, and Animedia) emphasized Athrun's staying with Orb (due to his Orb general/admiral uniform at the end) and Kira's staying with Zaft (due to his White Zaft uniform). Recently, Director Fukuda (after gratefully hearing Gundam Seed series was voted #1 continuous best popular animation in July 2007 Animedia) confirmed the movie was the continuation of TV series but could not tell us more about it and said it was still a secret.

On the other hands, I heard someone(??) translated the following short note/table on page 517 of June 2007 Gundam Ace and made their conclusion/assumption that Lacus, Dearka, and Yzak would be in Supreme Plant Council and Athrun and Kira would be part of Zaft military in CE 74 for the movie.

★Ｃ.Ｅ.７４当時
プラント最高評議会
　ラクス・クライン
　イザーク・ジュール
　ディアッカ・エルスマン

ザフト
　キラ・ヤマト
　アスラン・ザラ
　シン・アスカ
　ルナマリア・ホーク

In C.E. 74:
Plant Highest Council:
- Lacus Clyne
- Yzak Joule
- Dearka Elsman

Zaft:
- Kira Yamato
- Athrun Zala
- Shin Asuka
- Lunmaria Hawke

It appears this is based on the writer's speculation after he/she watched the end of Gundam Seed Destiny Special Edition IV where Lacus, Yzak and Dearka were walking together towards the Highest Council and then later met with Kira (in white zaft uniform), Athrun (in Orb uniform), Shinn and Lunamaria (in red Zaft uniforms). Although Athrun was there with Kira, Shin, Lunamaria and other Zaft members, he was wearing Orb uniform. Unless the page 517 of June 2007 Gundam Ace was misprinted, the writer for that table/note did not have much further explanation about the table/note listed above, did not say Athrun would join Zaft again, and did not even mention this was for the new movie.

[UPR]

im just watched destiny (and for seed im waiting to get the dvd's so have not watched it) these past few days so pardon the question but what movie are you all talking about?

I don't think the relationship is dead just on life support right now. And this may be another stupid question but have Lacus and Kira even ever kissed?

[Zaresh]

I was thinking so far... after only heaven knows how many time reading this threat... Isn't clear that there is still hope to this couple (asucaga)? I mean, after reading posts like boredandsleepy's, it is possible, not clear but possible jet. So, why is rebirding this threat once and again? LoL. Really, after reading only 3 last pages I thought it's pretty clear. I think that all this is very weird xD.

BTW, I'm curious about if boredandsleepy has all that info saved in txt docs or write them each time Ô.Ô .

(There is not hope for Rusty. Poor Rusty...)

[Eidolon Sniper]

Spoiler:

SEED

Kira kissed Lacus on the cheek. Athrun and Lacus kissed. Athrun and Cagalli kissed. Fllay and Kira kissed.

Destiny

Athrun and Cagalli kissed. Shinn and Lunamaria kissed.

@ boredandsleepy

1. Athrun choosing to stay at Cagalli's side...probably. There is the word "possibly" in the sentence Morosawa said should give you some idea. So it is still not definite...>.<;; Besides, why was Athrun on PLANTs to deliver Kira to Lacus? Kira could probably do that on his own now, can he? He didn't need Athrun to escort him. Athrun MUST stay by Cagalli's side. Or, he could be Cagalli's representative, as I stated earlier. But the fact remains that he could just see Kira off on the airport and go back to Cagalli. Athrun missing in that GSD IV ending sequence should probably tell AsuCaga fans that Athrun has now REALLY decided to stay with Cagalli, and could be explained, and so there is no more hope for AsuMey. Athrun could go to PLANT anytime he is free, making sure that Cagalli's alright or something before leaving for the PLANTs. But no. He was there in PLANT, he was there with Kira, Lunamaria, Shinn, the DOM Trooper pilot, and Meyrin.

2. That only means that there is still no definite closure on the AsuCaga and AsuMey debate. The movie, hopefully, could close that issue. It did not mean in any way that Athrun already chose Cagalli, and that Athrun already chose Meyrin. So far it's still open.

3. Ishida Akira is only the VA for Athrun. Also, see that he also stated that he said "possibly". He did not say "definitely". It means that he is also assuming that that scene was what it meant. Besides, there must be a reason why Morosawa intended Meyrin to walk behind Athrun. It is all a matter of interpretation. If Morosawa intended for Athrun to be with Cagalli, he should be on Onogoro Memorial with nobody else beside him. That could only mean that he finally chose Cagalli. Instead, we see Meyrin with him there.

[boredandsleepy]

[QUOTE=Eidolon Sniper;1050808][SPOILER]
SEED

Kira kissed Lacus on the cheek. Athrun and Lacus kissed. Athrun and Cagalli kissed. Fllay and Kira kissed.

Destiny

@Eidolon Sniper
Athrun only had a kiss/peck on Lacus' cheek in GS episode 20. Both Athrun and Lacus never kissed (mouth-to-mouth) to each other. Also, in GS official file it clearly stated there was no love involved between Athrun and Lacus.

Spoiler:

1) In their Gundam Seed Offiicial File Vol 2:
Their correlation diagram covering from episode 15 to episode 27 had the following interrelational lines:

- No line between Lacus and Athrun.

- A mutual line between Cagalli and Athrun with the words "Have feelings to each other?" with a question mark - Remember, they started to know each other when they were stranded in an unmanned island in episode 24.

2) In their Gundam Seed Offiicial File Vol 3:
Their correlation diagram covering up to episode 40 had the following interrelational lines:

- A mutual line between Lacus and Athrun with the words "Engagement revocation (annulment)"

- A mutual line between Athrun and Cagalli with the words "Have feelings towards each other" with no question mark at this time. That is, their feelings were confirmed.

3) In their Gundam Seed Offiicial File Vol 4 (Final):
Their correlation diagram covering up to episodes 50 had the following interrelational lines:

- No line between Athrun and Lacus.

- Lacus has a line towards Kira with the words "Favor and a love sign".

- A mutual line between Athrun and Cagalli with the words "Lovers".

Also, the final official file for Gundam Seed has the following information:

For Lacus, she finally confessed her love for Kira by giving him the ring.

For Athrun, he finally confessed his love for Cagalli with his kiss.

@ boredandsleepy
1. Athrun choosing to stay at Cagalli's side...probably. There is the word "possibly" in the sentence Morosawa said should give you some idea.

Have you actually read my previous post about Morosawa's interview? Have you read the last part about Morosawa confirmed mutual feelings for both Athrun and Cagalli and their love just began? What other "possible" stuff did you read which I did not know from my own postings?

Why was Athrun on PLANTs to deliver Kira to Lacus? Kira could probably do that on his own now, can he? He didn't need Athrun to escort him. Athrun MUST stay by Cagalli's side. Or, he could be Cagalli's representative, as I stated earlier. But the fact remains that he could just see Kira off on the airport and go back to Cagalli. Athrun missing in that GSD IV ending sequence should probably tell AsuCaga fans that Athrun has now REALLY decided to stay with Cagalli, and could be explained, and so there is no more hope for AsuMey. Athrun could go to PLANT anytime he is free, making sure that Cagalli's alright or something before leaving for the PLANTs. But no. He was there in PLANT, he was there with Kira, Lunamaria, Shinn, the DOM Trooper pilot, and Meyrin.

Athurn's wearing new Orb admiral/general uniform has already told us where he would finally stay - Orb equals Cagalli; that is pretty much the message that they conveyed to us. In regards to why Athrun (in new higher-up Orb uniform) was there with Zaft members at the end, there's still no exact explanation. We will have to wait for the movie for more details.

That only means that there is still no definite closure on the AsuCaga and AsuMey debate. The movie, hopefully, could close that issue. It did not mean in any way that Athrun already chose Cagalli, and that Athrun already chose Meyrin. So far it's still open.

But Athrun was wearing Orb admiral/general uniform at the end, right? After watching GS,GSD,Final Plus,SE, whom did Athrun love? So which one did he choose? Would it be much better if there had been no walking scene in Final Plus at all, just like GSD The Edge manga whose writer removed all moments between Athrun and Meyrin as much as possible to clear confusion as I mentioned in my previous post?

3. Ishida Akira is only the VA for Athrun. Also, see that he also stated that he said "possibly". He did not say "definitely". It means that he is also assuming that that scene was what it meant.

The way he said was that scene was possibly a picture only; that is, it possibly meant nothing at all but a picture only as I mentioned in my previous post. Besides it's "picture" only, he did not add/assume anything else in his short comment so it's not valid to say "he is also assuming that that scene was what it meant". So why did Ishida Akira (without joking tone) make that comment exclusively for Meyrin's walking scene?

Besides, there must be a reason why Morosawa intended Meyrin to walk behind Athrun. It is all a matter of interpretation. If Morosawa intended for Athrun to be with Cagalli, he should be on Onogoro Memorial with nobody else beside him. That could only mean that he finally chose Cagalli. Instead, we see Meyrin with him there.

Morosawa in her April 2006 Animedia said "Although Meyrin was there at that scene but what would become of them remained unknown. Perhaps they would be good combination (not couple) or perhaps they would go to separate roads." That is her comments about Meyrin's walking behind Athrun. I did not come across reading anything from her interview about Meyrin's having possible romantic feelings towards Athrun. For the love relationship, she confirmed mutual feelings for Athrun and Cagalli and their love just began in her interview (as I mentioned in my previous post).

[Eidolon Sniper]

1. Oops, my bad. The word was "perhaps". Still, it does not offer any conclusion that AsuCaga are now the reality over AsuMey. If you say "perhaps", it is still not clear unlike when you say "definitely". Until somebody official says "definitely", the war between AsuCaga and AsuMey fans would still not be over, until the movie gives it some clear closure.

Also, the official files could still say all it could, but the official files should at least show that in the anime. No concern for Lacus? Athrun kicked sense into Kira to save Lacus onboard the Eternal in outer space. No concern for Meyrin? Well, we all know he's such a good guy at heart and he did that to help Meyrin. But why oh why is she the one by his side and not Cagalli? And why did Cagalli ask Meyrin to look after Athrun? As a girl, I definitely wouldn't say anything like that to another girl unless I really want to cool off from by boyfriend for a minute, or I'm saying that I don't like him anymore, or try giving him some space. They weren't even able to say goodbye properly to each other. There was that hug, refurbished in the GSD Special Editions, but still no proper saying that she wants "Athrun to fix his problems first and I will fix mine and so we can love each other all we want after it's all through". At least I can safely say Athrun loved Cagalli in the first eps of Destiny, but after he went to the PLANTs...what the hell...?

A hardcore Lacus fansite declared that probably before the events of SEED happened, Athrun and Lacus were in love with each other, but Lacus' feelings faded because she did not see Athrun that often, or probably Athrun did not have enough time for her. Together with the webmistress' assumptions, this is also what I assume. I mean, probably any girl who plays second fiddle to the war effort would probably feel that way at some point. LOL. Recall that he was excusing himself when he met Lacus again on the PLANTs because it was the only time they got to see each other again, and he was saying sorry again because he would be leaving again soon. If Athrun did not even say anything short of an apology to Lacus, other than the fact that he had to do that for courtesy's sake, then we can surely say for sure that they have no feelings for each other. Recall also that Lacus was sort of disappointed when Athrun had to leave again; she wished she could have dinner with him. She missed Athrun. And of course, the Haros are there as a mark of Athrun's concern that he couldn't think of anything decent to give Lacus on their first date; the fact that Lacus kept all the Haros meant that Athrun was important to her at one point. Athrun saw Lacus liked the first Haro he made, so he made her lots of Haros; probably something like an "excuse gift" for not knowing how to make Lacus happy by not knowing what to give her. He actually took time out to give Lacus something, and created the Haro. You could just buy the ring anywhere. Also, I think I recall in one interview, the question about the ring's stone was asked. Even the interviewee did not know why it came out like that, seeing that the stone on the ring was not even Cagalli's birthstone. I mean, Athrun could afford to be creative with Lacus' presents, and he gives Cagalli a run of the mill ring?

2. More reason to take Athrun away from the last GSD IV ending sequence. It would definitely squash all hopes of an AsuMey even coming to fruition; that meant Athrun stayed by Cagalli's side, and would only come to the PLANTs when his schedule allows, also, it means that Cagalli is more important to him, seeing that he knows Cagalli needs him more than ever...an Orb general is needed by the Orb representative MORE than the PLANT whitecoat now, right? Morosawa could probably insert Athrun's absence (and make it more significant) by Lacus asking Kira where Athrun is, and Kira would say that Athrun is helping Cagalli, or Athrun is at Cagalli's side...sorry, AsuMey fans, no more AsuMey... that would seal their relationship more effectively than leaving it all hanging in time for the movie. And the movie is the good place for a resolution for this relationship too, as I have probably stated again and again in every post I made... ._____.

Athrun wearing the Orb uniform is just about as WTH like Kira's whitecoat. For starters, Athrun is part of ZAFT, and the Zala name still probably commands some respect in the ZAFT ranks...if Athrun was truly resolute about clearing his name of anything, or try to stop any other evil madman from using his family name for evil again, then he should be the whitecoat. He can still stay by Cagalli's side, and probably that would work for the best for the both of them, because at least he is trying to protect Cagalli from afar, and Cagalli understands that this was something Athrun had to do for his own sake, and probably get back to their love when both of their problems are done with. Kira, on the other hand, has no sense whatsoever staying in the ZAFT ranks because everything he did in SEED/Destiny = always fighting the people controlling ZAFT. Just because he's Lacus' knight means that he is absolutely absolved of everything that he did in SEED/Destiny AGAINST ZAFT?

Kira could go to the PLANTs for all he cares; Athrun will stay by Cagalli's side to protect her. I think that is the best ending for the GSD IV ED sequence.

3. Taking away the walking scene at the end would not do. It actually helped the Destiny ED a little, even if just barely. I mean, at least we now know that Kira and Shinn are the new BFF, with their partners Lunamaria, Lacus, and Meyrin watching close by. It closed a chapter on what Shinn would fight for after Destiny. A horrible one, but at least still a closure.

4. See the word "perhaps". It is not final by saying "surely", "definitely", "all the way", and any other words synonymous with these words. When you say "perhaps", it is still unclear. And we should probably know by now too not to trust what Morosawa or Fukuda says in interviews because sometimes (or more often than not, most of the time) what they say does not jibe with what we are presented on the boob tube.

***Please be reminded that I also like AsuCaga, I am just pointing out several reasons why their relationship isn't...um...as "steadfast" and Kira and Lacus' relationship is...thank you...^^;; but still I like AsuMey; more of an AsuMey fan than AsuCaga though. That does mean I can't like AsuCaga for the realism they showed in their relationship in the entire CE? ._______.

[boredandsleepy]

@Eidolon Sniper -

The word was "perhaps". Still, it does not offer any conclusion that AsuCaga are now the reality over AsuMey

Morosawa in her interview said "Perhaps they would become good combination コンビ (not couple カップル) or perhaps they would go to separate roads". The reason I had to add "perhaps" because she added "kamo shirenai" to each of them. The first "perhaps" statement still show Athrun and Meyrin would not be the couple, not to mention the 2nd "perhaps" statement. Good combination in this translation can mean good team like Yzak and Dearka in the chibi-character Gundam Jealousy. Yzak and Dearka were introduced as the コンビ (combination) during their beach volleyball contest in Gundam Jealousy. So can we interpret the combination as couple for Yzak and Dearka?

On the other hands, there's no "perhaps" or possible tone in her comments for Asucaga as I mentioned below listed in my previous post.

1) Cagalli was important to him and he would greatly support her and that would not change for life.

2) She said even Athrun was surrounded by women, he's not a hula-hula (changeable) man in the relationship section for Athrun and Cagalli.

3) After her comments for the Asucaga pairing, the interviewer questioned her that:
"So in no way, both of their love was just a vision, right?"
Then her response to the interviewer:
"They certainly have feeling for each other, but it's still the beginning. For them, they have their own kind of love and these two must find it together. I did not intentionally pull and tear them apart. I like them too so please don't misunderstand me"

So, which couple did Morosawa confirm in her interview?

At least I can safely say Athrun loved Cagalli in the first eps of Destiny, but after he went to the PLANTs...what the hell...?

Morosawa in her interview in GSD Official File Phase 2 (not December 2005 Animage) reconsidered her story for Athrun and admitted that Athrun became difficult to understand ever since he left Orb, returned to Plant and rode on Minerva again.

In GSD SE, they added/revised additional cutscene 1) Athrun's flashback about Cagalli during his dinner with Meer, 2) staring at haumea stone (given by Cagalli) before making his final decision to join Dullindel, 3) smiling softly at Cagalli when he found her next to Kira once he woke up from sickbay, and those I mentioned in my previous post, not to mention their special hug scene in Final Plus. What did all these tell you?

Also, the official files could still say all it could, but the official files should at least show that in the anime.

The official files mean that their files have already been reviewed by official Gundam Seed official staff to avoid any inaccurate or biased speculation from those who watched the series.

Your saying "but the official files should at least show that in the anime" - I still don't get your point.

Note: In prevous pages, I have already posted enough information about Athrun and Cagalli; that is, they both love each other (remember what Morosawa said) and thus there's hope for them. There's no reason for me to continue re-quoting the same information while others have already read. On the other hands, if I have more news about Asucaga, I will update this thread as well.

[UPR]

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Shinn and Lunamaria kissed.

can someone explain this to me please?

[Anh_Minh]

Not really, no. I mean, I saw it, but it didn't make any kind of sense at the time either.

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by UPR

can someone explain this to me please?

What's there to explain?

Ya see, when two peoples' lips come together....

[Eidolon Sniper]

Spoiler for if you do not want wall of text, you are warned:

@ boredandsleepy

Did I even say something that they're officially a couple? I was referring to the word "perhaps" in the statement. It does not even finalize that Athrun and Meyrin could not be a couple. The entire GSD fiasco means a lot of different things for different people, so if there are people who think AsuCaga is over, then fine, and if there are other people who think AsuMey is a couple, or could be a couple (remember, GSD Special Edition IV), then it's fine as well. You can't dismiss what other cues other people have in saying that AsuMey could possibly BE a couple. See the word possibly. I did not mean anything that AsuMey is already the OTP couple over AsuCaga, or that AsuCaga is as good as toast. I said possibly/probably. I have no idea how it would end, because I do not know how it will end. You're shutting the door on the AsuMey fans again... now, you're also hinting that AsuRaku fans could never have been and would never be?

1. That could be a form of love. I mean, you could show your love for someone by supporting them. I have no problem with that. Athrun knew that he had to support Cagalli, because Cagalli needs him most at this time. But where was he when Cagalli needed him the most during her return to Orb as its Head Representative? Where was he when Cagalli was forced to marry Yuna for Orb's sake? Where was he when she cried? Athrun is confused and unsure of what he should be doing that he even let Cagalli get involved with his indecisions...because he was confused, she almost became Mrs. Seiran, she lost her country for the first half of the series, and Orb got burned down again. Cagalli needed him more than ever, he shouldn't have gone to the PLANTs, he should've made his decision and stayed with Cagalli. It's actually what fools do for love. Or whatever. Who would want a boyfriend like that? I, for one, wouldn't.

2. I admit Cagalli is important to him. But Meer was important to him too. He cried over her death, for pete's sakes. If Meer was a nobody not even worth giving his time, he wouldn't have turned on the waterworks like that. A simple anguished emo sob and rage filled cry would do. And he knew Meer less than he knew Cagalli at that too. Meyrin was important. He was concerned over Meyrin's fate by helping him escape so he took her along with him, and was important to him enough to be with him at the Onogoro Memorial. He could probably just choose Yzak or Dearka, or even some random ZAFTie. But instead, he chose Meyrin of all people. The question is, why? Meyrin helped him escape with his life, and he is very grateful to Meyrin for that. But at least he could've gone with Cagalli, because the entire main cast ( ) is there at the Memorial, something which Cagalli herself should attend, but she is nowhere to be found. Lunamaria was important. If it weren't for Lunamaria, he wouldn't head back to Cagalli's arms now, wouldn't he. ~.~;; Lunamaria jolted him out of his unsure, confused state. And lastly, Lacus was important to him. He kicked sense into Kira's head to save her onboard the Eternal. And he valued her opinions again when she pointed to him the way back into the light. Cagalli wasn't able to make some sense in his confused thoughts, she just sent him on another guilt trip, and Lacus was conveniently there to make him find his way again.

Oh, and the SEs are there in order to provide more confusion to GSD because what version should the fans believe? seriously though, if it weren't for the sloppy writing, all of those things could've probably been avoided, and there is no need for the SEs. Fukuda is milking the CE cash cow for all its worth already, and in the reworked SEs, just a few new hints made everything as right as paint. I mean, they already ran through Destiny, they could've at least made good with it!

3. She said that they both had their own kind of love, and it's just the beginning. A beginning of what, we do not know, but it's certainly not only limited to romantic love. They could find other things besides love. A bond stronger than love, probably. Or they could be REALLY great friends. It did not limit itself to the concept of romantic love.

What was all the romance in the first 12 eps now, eh? Love died? Love gets reborn again? With their limited interaction in the first 12 eps, I saw that they have feelings for each other. Athrun comforted Cagalli when Shinn picked on her, Cagalli was worried Athrun was leaving for the PLANTs and was sorry and worried she didn't have enough time for Athrun. I mean, you do not do these things randomly and out of the blue. They shared a love, was spectacularly shafted because of the harem, and was haphazardly put back together at the end of Destiny. Poor them. Shinn's nerfage was bad enough, look what they did to Athrun and Cagalli!

About the official files = anime, at least the show could've shown some hints that there is a little bit of everything what the files say. First of all, Cagalli did not even know who Athrun was until they were stranded on the beach, and at that point in time, they just saw each other as strangers. Cagalli was mad at Athrun for "killing" Kira. How could you say that they already have feelings for each other? Cagalli was more interested in Kira than Athrun was, she liked Kira a LOT, at least until it was confirmed that they were siblings. Athrun suddenly remembering Cagalli as he wears the necklace could probably mean that he remembered Cagalli's words, but it does not mean that he already loves her at that point. I could suddenly recall what my guy friend said a while ago, but that does not mean I already love him. Also, Cagalli was that way with Kira too, she hugged Kira on the Archangel deck when they were on their way to Orb. Cagalli got shocked that he and Fllay already slept together, and was wary of Fllay. Cagalli is impulsive when she does things, but always with good intentions. When she gave Athrun the necklace, she said that she hoped the necklace would protect him as it protected her. She comforted Kira when Kira was crying on the Archangel deck. It just shows how good her heart is, as far as possible, she wants to protect everybody and giving them comfort, it does not already mean that it is already love. They just suddenly realized they have feelings for each other when they kissed. Then, Destiny happened.

Also, ==>this is an AsuCaga and AsuMey thread, not AsuCaga only thread<==. ^^;; thank you very much.

Yeah, I was when they suddenly kissed (Shinn and Lunamaria). Like WTH. No sense = sense, only in the CE!

[UPR]

sorry i did not explain myself furhter or clearer, I should have asked did it really happen which from what you said it did so thanks. does anyone remember which ep that was? please and thanks

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by UPR

sorry i did not explain myself furhter or clearer, I should have asked did it really happen which from what you said it did so thanks. does anyone remember which ep that was? please and thanks

Gawd.... Um.... >_>

It was late in the series. Sometime in the 40s, I think. I can check.

I wanna say 45.

EDIT: Okay, it's not 45. That's when they hug. So it has to be after 45. I'm just too lazy to check.... Even though I just bothered to flit through 45 and find the hug scene. >_>

Okay, I'll be right back. ^^;

EDIT 2: Yeah, I can't find it. Sorry.

[UPR]

don't worry about it i'll just watch the series when a friend of mine finish uploading the series

[boredandsleepy]

@Eidolon Sniper:
As far as Morosawa and official files confirmed Asucaga mutual feelings to each other, is it necessary for them to explicitly say Athrun and Meyrin were not couple and so do Athrun and Lacus, Athrun and Kira, and Athrun and Meer, and etc? My whole purpose is to be honest and keep us updated with the exact information/message from Morosawa and official files. Although their sayings may not meet with your own satisfactory, it does not mean it won't make sense to others especially we are not part of them working on the Gundam Seed story. There are people out on Internet who will like to hear what the official staff exactly said rather than hearing one-sided biased speculation. Therefore, there's nothing I can do if my report/information did not please and meet your satisfactory level. Unless they have more updates, as of now GS offiicial files clearly stated there was no love between Athrun and Lacus (though I like both Athrun and Lacus too) and confirmed both Athrun and Cagalli were lovers, and GSD offiicial files stated Athrun did not have any romantic feelings towards Meyrin.

On the other hands, let me be clear to you so I won't repeat again that Morosaw's both "perhaps" statement did not implicitly say Athrun and Meyrin could be the couple. She said they either would be good combination (to be clear it means good team, but not couple) or they would go to separate roads. And look at what happened to the ending sequence of GSD SE IV? Her answer is right there - isn't that Athrun's wearing new Orb uniform and Meyrin's wearing Zaft uniform? And tell me why did Morosawa confirm Asucaga mutual feelings at the end of her interview? I don't see anything implying anything else about Asumey in her interview I posted, so what did you read which I did not know from my own postings again?

Also, ==>this is an AsuCaga and AsuMey thread, not AsuCaga only thread<==. ^^;; thank you very much.

Since you wanted to change this thread to AsuCaga and Asumey, then tell me what's exactly your point in your previous comments?

In Page 10 of this thread:
You said, "Speaking of the ring, GSD IV ending showed Cagalli keeping the ring in a little box and putting it away somewhere safe, so there's the hanging allusion or whatever that their relationship is still hanging on."

In Page 11 of this thread:
You said, "Simple relationship between Meyrin and Athrun? I hardly think so. Athrun would probably still be in the military or something, as his role in the CE saga is far from over yet. It would be a very big sacrifice on Meyrin's part in trying to understand him and be there when Athrun needs her. And knowing Meyrin, she probably will. But she can never be Athrun's Cagalli."

Reading your current comments (possible Asumey) and previous comments (as listed above), did you see you was contradicting youself? So how is it possible for us to reconsider your words again?