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You think that ruining a few people's lives can be forgiven much easier than taking away the ones of many. I believe that there isn't much of a difference, because crowds are made up of individuals and it's the individual I care about - not the numbers. Someone like Schneizel would be inclined to take this a step further and say that all kinds of sacrifices are justified if it is for the greater good - what's the life of a few thousands compared of the fate of the whole world, after all? Quote:
But as I see it, punishing Nina now that she had already changed simply wouldn't serve any purpose. It won't change the past, it won't make her realize her mistakes - because she already has -, and it is not necessary to forcibly prevent her from repeating them. It won't even make anyone happy, because Lelouch's death already did that. Quote:
Lelouch, however, chose to "break the ongoing circle of hatred" instead, and I don't have any problem with that.
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2008-12-29, 18:39 | Link #223 | |
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So you think that Hitler is on the same level as a guy who kills his wife? I could do without the punishment, what I can't do away with is the idea that Nina is a "GOOD PERSON" and the crap that Nina isn't really at fault for her actions. Theirs a huge difference between forgiving someone and enduring the hatred of a person. As for Nunnaly, I was pissed that the Britannian royal family which is staffed by nutcases assholes, and inhuman monsters is still ruling Britannia. Its like Nina and Nunnaly were rewarded for their actions. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2008-12-29 at 18:57. |
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2008-12-29, 19:02 | Link #226 | |
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And who should rule Britannia in your view? A Chinese? An European? Have Britannia cut up and share as loot amongst the UN? At some point, your need to "punish" somebody had to end. In the CG universe, Lulu managed to divert everyone's anger towards himself. Blood is spilled, and that was the end of that. No, I am not trying to convince you. It is not possible to do that. Revenge is such a natural thing to do, it is built into our brains. That's why the only way for the war to end for Lulu is to lie and deceive, because there are always someone who prefer blood than peace.
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2008-12-29, 19:08 | Link #227 | |
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Who should rule Britannia? How about the people? You know a democracy like the one we have? Do you have a problem with Democracy? Liike I said before I don't want people punished, so much as I want them to stop being rewarded. Nunnaly was rewarded with her actions by being named ruler of Britannia, Nina was called a good person, and Ougi was rewarded for his actions by being named Prime minister. Stop blaming Schneizel for everything, Schneizel didn't force Nunnaly to push the button Nunnaly chose to push the button. |
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2008-12-29, 19:30 | Link #229 | |
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But I'm not in this forum to talk about Hitler, and I would never compare him to Nina. If you look at the kind of individual Hitler was, you will probably see a large difference between him and a man who kills his wife - even without knowing how many deaths he caused. As for the rest... I mostly agree with Vallen Chaos Valiant again; only that I wouldn't put all the blame on Schneizel. Hm... by the way, I get the feeling that many people seem to think that he was simply bend on world domination. But even though I strongly disagree with his methods and think that Lelouch geassing him was the best course of action, he is not the epitome of evil.
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2008-12-29, 20:31 | Link #230 | ||
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2008-12-29, 20:52 | Link #231 | |
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Fot example, yes.
Not that a man who kills his wife is always sane, but I think the difference should still be very clear. Quote:
Cornelia more or less said it: In a world without conflict, he would have been the perfect king. No personal desires and no attachments, but highly intelligent and only having the "greater good" in mind. In any other kind of world, however, that only makes him incredibly dangerous. Lelouch knew that, and even if he had wanted to, there was no way he could have taken the risk. Not to mention that, since Schneizel had no personal desires, he probably wouldn't have been able to make much use of a "second chance".
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2008-12-29, 21:00 | Link #232 | |
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Oh, i did not know that Schneizel was not a human being but a definition of time. Hm, i guess he does not deserve a second chance then. Since he NEVER changes. And who can truly be the judge of this? Oh, let me guess. The judges that decided that Nina should get a clean-free pass for her genocide. Yah. So since the "court" is already biased towards Schneizel, ok then. Also, Cornelia said a lot of crap. Just saying. {like that Zero is going down in the last epi of S1, yah.} |
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2008-12-29, 21:05 | Link #233 | |
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He didn't care much about anything but world peace... at any cost. So yes, he was a risk Lelouch just couldn't take.
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2008-12-29, 21:09 | Link #235 | |
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Nina wanted to annihilate a group of people through hatred and fear. Which one of those, would you want running on the streets? |
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2008-12-29, 21:17 | Link #236 | ||
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But I was never talking about establishing a new system - just saying that I don't have a problem with Nina not getting punished. Quote:
Definitely Nina. And I don't even dislike Schneizel. I just think he's incredibly dangerous as long as there is conflict.
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2008-12-29, 21:25 | Link #239 |
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I think your the ones twisting posts. Have you heard the term don't speak unless spoken too so please take the hint. I was merely comparing the difference in those actions. Nina's genocide or Schneizel's controlling through fear.
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2008-12-29, 21:30 | Link #240 | |
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We are supposed to have democracy last time i checked and also, last time i checked you were not my papa to tell me what to do and what not. Point is you also made a lame ass post again {like you do on the profiles of people, accusing other people, yep, high} so let's get back on topic alright? And again, on topic, you missed the point painfully, i repeat. Frost was talking about Nina and Schneizel trying to say that Nina is equally or more dangerous than Scheizel running and gunning free. Or that she at least should get the punishment to learn that genocide-trigger is not trigger-happy. |
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