Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force Manga Discussion

[FRS]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

I think it's incorrect to compare the two of them in most aspects, since Force is a continuation of the trends found in the first three seasons and ViVid is a back-to-the-roots spin-off.

Err so the roots of the franchise to you are shonen fight tournament arcs ?

[Justin_Brett]

I think it's incorrect to compare the two of them in most aspects, since Force is a continuation of the trends found in the first three seasons and ViVid is a back-to-the-roots spin-off.

Really, putting the two of them together wasn't a very good move to begin with. If you read them both, and a lot of people probably will, the back to basics approach is just going to make people remember the first season and As, and Force does not come off well when compared to those.

[Miles Teg]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Who says that, as far as i know ViVid sell better than FORCE in japan.

Sales figures from Oricon (released at ANN)

Title (release date) : First Week - Second Week (Total)

Force 01 (2010/01/30) : 56,613 (not present in second week so less than 22,000)
Vivid 01 (2010/01/26) : 34,545 - 44,618 (79,163)

Force 02 (2010/08/26) : 4,987 - 62,881 (67,868)
Vivid 02 (2010/07/26) : 55,548 - 27,545 (83,093)

Force 03 Limited Edition (2011/03/10) : 38,129 (not present in second week so less than 23,000)
Vivid 03 Limited Edition (2011/03/10) : 38,747 (not present in second week so less than 23,000)

Force 03 (2011/03/26) : 2,543 - 49,897 (52,440)
Vivid 03 (2011/03/26) : 2,934 - 55,496 (58,430)

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by FRS

Err so the roots of the franchise to you are shonen fight tournament arcs ?

I meant it more along the lines of magical-lolis-befriending-each-other. There is definitely none of that in Force.

[Akiyoshi]

Finally readed translated Ch. 15(in spanish) and it contains some interesting info:

Spoiler for I knew it!:

-Lily activate her Strosek functions to assume control of the Book of the Silver Cross, while also lamenting for those injured by being involved with her(well, thanks Lily, is reconforting that at least someone feels bad for certain swordswoman, you win two points of simpathy on my book xD).
-She also manage to control the virus and make it stable, freeing Tohma of the symptoms.
-Shamal explicity states that her medical team have the technology for the investigation and tratement of the Eclipse virus and even says that Tohma will be the first patient to recover from the infection.
-Isis don't want to let Tohma be a guinea pig for investigations but Nanoha reassure her that Tohma will not be used as an an investigation subject for the "Ace System"(whatever that means o_o). Also states that Section six is not "some brutal organization".
-Curren bring a new navigation program for the Esquad Huckebein that will make Stella's work much easier, also confirms that the reason she let Hayate alive is because she's a very respected commander and thus she wants to avoid a full-scale persecution from the TSAB in response. Also states that she wants to mantain a "balance" between the Huckebein family and Section Six meaning that she's ok as long as they are they only persecutors, Veyron disagrees arguing that the past battle was a perfect chance to eliminate them, Curren then order him to keep an eye on them to calm him down. Then talk about about some girl(s) with a book and a sword(i don't get it completely, the translation don't make much sense at this point) and then about how their "colleagues" tried to trick them by working behind their backs.
-Finally the scene cuts to the lab where Ginga and Cinque prescence the demonstration fo the CW-ADX "Raptors".

Ok everybody, discuss xD!

[FRS]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

I meant it more along the lines of magical-lolis-befriending-each-other. There is definitely none of that in Force.

It may have started that way but the story has quickly changed tones and themes, at this point IMO if Force cant be considered as a straight continuation of the franchise neither can Vivid be.

They are both expending the franchise but in differents directions.

[Keroko]

Pretty much in line with the theories I've been throwing out these past couple of months, so yeah, not really anything to debate from my side.

[Justin_Brett]

Killing people and then beating up people that try and stop you: a good balance. But seriously, why would Section Six be the only people trying to stop them? That's a big assumption.

Also, that's very underwhelming 'big news'.

[Akiyoshi]

I think they refer to "balance" to the fact that they want to keep the ilussion that Section Six have a chance against them so the TSAB do not resot to invest greater resources and people onto pursuing them. Curren also mentions that things are fine for her as long as they are able to escape their pursuers. It's not like she can't deal with the task, it's more like is an annoyance for her.

[Justin_Brett]

Well, I guess I can rest assured knowing she'll be proven wrong about that...by chapter thirty-six.

I mean, they can't logistically get any smugger from this point, can they?

[Alavon]

Ignoring their ridiculous design, I'm actually more interested in the "Raptors". Are they going to be like the Mariages or like James Cameron's "Avatars"?

[Rising Dragon]

More like Mariages. We already know they're supposed to be autonomous.

[Alavon]

If that's the case then why do I have a feeling that it might turn like Revenge of the Sith? Watch out Commanders, they might turn against you!

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Alavon

If that's the case then why do I have a feeling that it might turn like Revenge of the Sith? Watch out Commanders, they might turn against you!

Trust me, you're not the only one. There's already been a few "Order 66" jokes here not long after their introduction

[Koveras Alvane]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Spoiler for I knew it!:

-Curren bring a new navigation program for the Esquad Huckebein that will make Stella's work much easier, also confirms that the reason she let Hayate alive is because she's a very respected commander and thus she wants to avoid a full-scale persecution from the TSAB in response. Also states that she wants to mantain a "balance" between the Huckebein family and Section Six meaning that she's ok as long as they are they only persecutors, Veyron disagrees arguing that the past battle was a perfect chance to eliminate them, Curren then order him to keep an eye on them to calm him down. Then talk about about some girl(s) with a book and a sword(i don't get it completely, the translation don't make much sense at this point) and then about how their "colleagues" tried to trick them by working behind their backs.

So the guys who killed the folks on Easter weren't the Hucks, after all. That means, there is another group of Eclipse Drivers, at least two persons strong, out with their own agenda.

Also, it seems that as long as Curren is in charge, the Hucks' bark is worse than their bite. Suddenly, I fear for her life...

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Trust me, you're not the only one. There's already been a few "Order 66" jokes here not long after their introduction

"Every single mage is now an enemy of the Bureau. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy"?

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

"Every single mage is now an enemy of the Bureau. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy"?

That's...a lot of target.

As long as they use decent equipment for the job, I suppose. Right now, the only Raptor attack move I can think of is headbutt

[Justin_Brett]

Also, it seems that as long as Curren is in charge, the Hucks' bark is worse than their bite. Suddenly, I fear for her life...

Well it's not like one of the others who we assumed was the leader is considerably more shifty and serious than - oh. Yeah...

And I dunno about two people. That woman looked pretty different from Curren, but the man looked a lot like Veyron. I mean, who's to say how long he's been with them? According to stuff on the wiki, a lot of them don't like him much, either...

[Akiyoshi]

Probably but my guess is that Curren is talking about the misterious scientists from Ch. 1 probably they promise something to them but are now working differently and Curren notes that. Besides, the thing that catch my attention more is the fact that Shamal not only confirms in canon the existence of a treatement for the Eclipse acceseed by the TSAB but also affirms that the treatement is effective and even have the confidence to say that Tohma will be the first person cured. Things suddenly turn a twist for the supposedly "the Hucks are escaping fron the eeeeevil TSAB" theory.

[Endscape]

The most interesting thing to me is the fact that there is a cure, and it isn't some shadowy section of the TSAB that has it, but Shamal, who is as mainstream as you can get. The Hucks have no excuse now.

[Tiresias]

Unless they've tasted her cooking and decided that her cure will be equally horrifying