2018-04-16, 20:39 | Link #2502 | |
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Currently, we cannot place both on a scale with the LN (as it cuts a lot of the Rem Scenes and makes them more vague, whilst adding on to Emilia) but the WN (web novel and original source) makes it abundantly clear that Subaru is head over heels for Rem, and it makes a point that once she wakes up Subaru will devote more time to her. I can understand how watching the anime makes you think that he doesn't love her, but the anime director is a biased man. The amount of cut Rem scenes is astounding, he actually makes it seem like there isn't any attraction between the two. Here's a quote from him: "ThatÂ’s a tough question. People will get mad at me no matter who I say (laughs). But I suppose that RemÂ’s role in the story is that of a sub-heroine, while Emilia is the main heroine. I directed episode 1 myself and did as much as I could to enhance her presence in the scenes to make up for her lack of screen time. IÂ’d change her outfits and made sure she gave off a strong impression. As far as IÂ’m concerned, the heroine is Emilia, but perhaps nobody will believe me when I say that. After all, Rem clearly acts more like a heroine (laughs). But please donÂ’t forget the scenes that showcase Emilia as the heroine (laughs)." Tappei doesn't list Rem as a sub-heroine, he lists her as a rising heroine. As for the Rem scenes he did cut, he removed the scenes which fleshed her out from just being bland waifubait, like her being a crazed pervert for Subaru, or how she isn't averse to violence (actually revels in it, and when Subaru asks not to kill a bunch of thugs, happily declares she'll half-kill them). She acknowledges that she's a flawed being and wishes to improve herself along with Subaru. The biggest scene that was cut was Subaru's confession to her (thats right, Subaru admits to her that he loves her and even says the one would have to be unable to shed blood and tears to reject her) and the near kiss scene right after.
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2018-04-16, 22:07 | Link #2503 | ||||||||
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Even in near the start of vol 3 has this: Before than he can't even describe what he feeling for Emilia and is not completely sure of his feelings. As they say the heart doesn't lie otherwise none of are valid not just in this series but others stories. Rem also feels the same when she thinks about Subaru to an even more extreme degree emotionally, so pushing black on this would just be invaliding her feelings too. Quote:
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Yanderes and/or damaged girls are the most waifu'd out of many of the known anime female archetypes, so I don't what made you think this would change things. Waifuism is about how you feel about a character not their characteristics. That's why Subaru seen as husbando material by a good number of the female fandom for this series despite being the most flawed character in story. Quote:
It's also weird for you to start invoking Tappei given your statement earlier. But I realize you are just cherrypicking what you want to hear. Notice that any of my comments I don't ever have deny Subaru's feelings for Rem to push his for Emilia, becasue the story is written in a way where I nor anyone have to unless you are forcing that view. That only undermines your position further. Quote:
Nothing in your supports that he his feelings for Emilia aren't genuine, only that he has feelings for Rem too which nobody was debating in the first place. Even Rem never questions his feelings for Emilia, and it's part of reason why she kept insisting for him not to give up, so I don't know why this even a talking point. For all intents and purposes it's a settled issue. Last edited by Applehell; 2018-04-17 at 02:06. |
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2018-04-17, 18:09 | Link #2504 |
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Who does he love more? I mean he chose emilia when rem confessed so i suppose emilia right? or he admits he loves them both the same?
and what is his goal? he loves them both greatly but what if emilia says she doesnt want to be in a 3 relationship how do you think he'd act as far as we know him up to arc 6 and would emilia actually say no to a relationship like that? Last edited by lucasdeis; 2018-04-17 at 21:18. |
2018-04-18, 02:23 | Link #2507 | ||||||
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His love for Emilia is a mere fetish love as seen with the various amount of silver haired heroine posters in the past trial in Arc 4. That's not counting the weird thing that happens to him occasionally where his body gets "possessed". its quite clear that his body has been tampered with. That, and he feels some sort of attraction to the witch despite never having met her before (and coincidentally, the witch is a half elf that looks like Emilia). But of course, you blatantly ignore this fact to push your headcanon. Quote:
https://remonwater.wordpress.com/201...-warm-welcome/ [Roswaal: You say that, but wouldn’t her awakening be troublesome for Emilia-sama? Subaru-kun has strong feelings for that girl, no matter how you look at it. In fact, they’re as strong as the feelings he has for you.] [Emilia: Yeah. I think that’s right. Subaru will devote himself to that girl for a while, and he might stop caring about me as well.] [Subaru: No. Under no circumstances would that…..] happen. It shouldn’t happen. He swears that his feelings towards Emilia would not waver from now on either. It’s just that his feelings for Emilia were a different part of the entirety of his feelings. Him having strong feelings towards Rem is a fact, and just like Emilia said, if she were to wake up, there was no doubt that he’d become devoted to her. However, she says “it’s fine” to Subaru. Then [Emilia: If it makes Subaru turn the other way, that just means that I’ll be the one this time to do my best for you to turn my way. I’m not worried about Subaru suddenly not being there. Therefore, I’ll also have you come my way, no matter how madly in love you become with Rem with how cute she is.] How you can interpret that as simply "I-ITS JUST HIM HELPING HER TO RECOVER BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN GONE FOR SO LONG!". Implications are important son, and taking Subaru's words and thoughts literally is foolish. You have to look deeper into it to discover what it truly means. Besides that, it would make the little declaration Emilia makes after quite foolish and out of place, its clear it was referring to love. Why else would Emilia need to basically say "I'll steal back your affections"? It's funny how you accuse me of seeing the story the way I want to see it. You are guilty of the same crime. Quote:
You literally cannot read the meanings behind things that are said and take it literally. Thats probably why you misunderstood the quote up above. The only thing of Emilia's thats connected to the story is her history, her appearance and the thing entrapped in her village. Her goals are not even intended to open the thing inside the village, so they are only loosely connected to the core of the story which is the Witch (and even then, that depends on what is in that place). Quote:
How ridiculous for you to mention that the anime doesn't cut scenes. Reading this little statement made it hard for me to take you seriously, cause the anime cuts down heavily on her scenes and alters it. The direction the anime decided to take with her feels so different from the LN/WN that its astounding. As I mentioned before, its funny how you accuse me of seeing the story in the way I wanted to look at it. Don't blame me, you decided to go all ad hominem on me. I'm just reminding you of your hypocrisy. And yes, those scenes did show more about her. They reveal her tendencies, more of her personality. The Rem I watched felt more and more bland the moment I started to read more of her WN and LN scenes. Arc 3 is not a small arc, so many scenes display her characteristics. i understand if its due to episode limitations, but the anime scenes that were cut out or altered to make shorter featured her. I am well aware of other scenes that are cut out that dont feature her. You can't seriously pass that off as a reason to waifu Rem. I doubt any people even know a bit of her psycho tendencies, and this is due to comments and posts I've seen on the internet and friends. Anywhere I go, I see affection for her simply because she's so devoted to the point of killing herself for him. That and they hold extreme pity for how the anime displays her feelings as unrequited. Quote:
Look back to the first part, I mention that Subaru and Emilia's relationship isn't healthy or genuine before Arc 4 where Subaru starts to make it a genuine. Its initially built on superficial things (Oh thank you Emilia you are super kind, super beautiful and you helped me once. I love you enough to die for you) but Subaru makes it meaningful in arc 4 and tries to build something. It's not a personal view of mine and I quite like how it develops from something like that. Its just the scene of his fallout with her in arc 3 only enforces it as such. Also I never invoked Tappei save for the fact that I mentioned he called her a rising heroine. You're not making any sense. Quote:
Check first post for why its not natural at first. I only wished to make known that the anime did a shit job at conveying that romance, that now its common to see Rem in lists where they mention heroines that lost. And Rem doesn't question his feelings for her, but its not about that. Its about how unclear they've made his relationship with Rem.
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Spoiler for Arc 4 Ch 72:
Not only Rem cannot even deny Emilia's accusations, but the but it's even confirmed during Subaru and Rem confrontation in the 3rd loop of Arc 2. So don't try excuse this with protecting the house crap. Even the story doesn't agree. Subaru is actually has nuance to his character as being a good kid with baggage. A scummy person wouldn't help someone search for a lost item nor bother to risk their lives to help said person from an assassination attempt. A scummy person wouldn't feel responsible for letting people die for his mistakes (Felt & Rom). A scummy person wouldn't save some kids he barely knew and remember all their aspirations I can go on and on. Being selfish, annoying or immature at times doesn't make him Satan. I don't need to put Subaru in a better light, his deeds and relationships speak for themselves. There reason why he won over the Emilia, Rem and villagers by the time arc 3 rolled around. Quote:
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Lastly you can't tell people what or who to waifu. Zero-Two form Darling in the FranXX waifu to hell despite having freaking problems on top of being a monster. Pitying or sympathy with character affections for them which are basis for waifuism. Reality doesn't care about you opinion or view on this matter becasue that not how others see it. This includes Rem's fanbase. Quote:
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2018-04-18, 17:37 | Link #2509 |
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Okay since Tappei is working WN again here are some quick summaries of the new chapters that have been posted. This is for Ch 36-41 and they are not all from one place and they are written by different people. Not all of them are very detail either.
As a reminder: Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 35 bombshell:
Chicken has translated part of this chapter already so you can read it on his site. Now, the new stuff: Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 36 - A Place for Relief:
Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 37 ハリボテの見る夢 - Haribote's Dream:
Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 38 オマエハダレダ:
Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 39:
Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 40 - Abandoned by the Starry Sky:
Spoiler for Arc 6 Ch 41 - "Odor of Peace":
That's everything up to now. Last edited by Applehell; 2018-04-18 at 19:54. |
2018-05-02, 10:37 | Link #2511 |
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So some peeps over at reddit are translating the side-stories and new SS images have surfaced.
I'll post what has been do so far: Gekkan Comic Alive Stories: Royal Election Prequel: Reinhard vs Cecilus Part 1.1 &1.2 done Royal Election Prequel: The Successor of Blue - Ch 1 done Otto's Peddling Record of Joy and Sorrow - all completed TC has released two new chapters of the WN: Arc 4 Ch 77: [All Alone……] (Part 1/2) Arc 5 Ch 40: [The Erosion of Wrath] (Part 1/2) Frederica and Petra's Maid Days Part 3: Garfiel and Ram's Twisted Twisted Twisted Love Situation ZERO (his has been fully translated and there more images for this on the wiki): |
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Arc 4 Ch 78 parts 1 & 2 up.
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2018-05-29, 09:43 | Link #2519 |
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https://imgur.com/a/iqiN1 <<< illust 16
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