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Key Board · 2012-01-03, 21:08

she's probably good with space manipulation

how else does she grab those linker cores from long range

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-03, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

In that verse, probably. In the main timeline we know that Shamal is capable of Teleportation magic similar to Yuuno's as also making magical shorcuts through the portals made by Klarerwind but so far we haven't seen evidence of her doing trnasposition similar to Deville's.

We haven't seen her FIGHT, with the exception of jobbing to the Numbers in StrikerS.

All throughout A's, she stayed well outside of the fighting.

This is not to suggest that she cannot or will not fight, but rather that she avoids it. Probably as a matter of duty, since it's best for the team that the healer remain fresh and unmolested.

Keroko · 2012-01-04, 05:45

There's a reason the position for mages like Shamal, Yuuno, Caro and Lutecia is called Full Back, after all. They're support mages, their solo capabilities in a fight may be good, but in a team they should always take the ideal position behind the comrades they can boost or heal.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-04, 13:02

Well, Yuuno never shows Increase power like Caro or as much healing proficiency as Shamal (fairly sure a healing field could heal multiple people, but it would be slower and more taxing than Calm Heal, unless Calm Heal IS a healing field)...

Yuuno would support through binds, remotely defending his allies (as per Sphere Protection), teleporting comrades and enemies, and tossing in some bullets.

The Full Back position can be covered in various ways, and those ways may mean that one can do more than just support.

Unlike Caro, Yuuno can afford to jump into the thick of a fight to serve as an emergency Front Attacker or Wing Guard. Caro would have to send Fried to do that, leaving her unguarded; if she's still mounted on him, she's at risk.

I'd compare him to Shamal, but there's really not enough evidence to suggest how the two compare in terms of solo combat strength.

Gears of Destiny might provide an idea, unless game balance has left one of them inferior or superior to the other in a way that obviously shouldn't be taken seriously.

Keroko · 2012-01-04, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

I'd compare him to Shamal, but there's really not enough evidence to suggest how the two compare in terms of solo combat strength.

About equal, according to the PSP game. When the two fought, both were exhausted at the end of the battle.

ZeroIchiNi · 2012-01-04, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Keroko

About equal, according to the PSP game. When the two fought, both were exhausted at the end of the battle.

The Kicker: that Yuuno was a dark piece.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-04, 15:40

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Originally Posted by ZeroIchiNi

The Kicker: that Yuuno was a dark piece.

From before the Jewel Seed incident, so lacking in any battle or sparring experience gained sincethen.

But are Dark Pieces also supposed to be weaker than the originals?

ZeroIchiNi · 2012-01-04, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

From before the Jewel Seed incident, so lacking in any battle or sparring experience gained sincethen.

Actually Nanoha's dark piece from the first game has the same skill as orginial but then again it's just gameplay.

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But are Dark Pieces also supposed to be weaker than the originals?

Don't know but they have been pointed out as being predictable. It gotten to the point where everyone can take on any Dark Piece such as Nanoha vs. Dark Piece Signum.

Edit: I meant the Nanoha dark piece that was base on her S1 self.

Key Board · 2012-01-04, 21:48

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Originally Posted by ZeroIchiNi

The Kicker: that Yuuno was a dark piece.

dark pieces are manifestations of past desires

how strong they are seem to depend on the strength of the desire

Precia's dark piece, for instance.. was pretty damn strong since her desire can be called an obsession

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-05, 11:32

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Precia's dark piece, for instance.. was pretty damn strong since her desire can be called an obsession

Yup, Precia whopped the butts of all the opponents on her route all the way until her battle with Lynith.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-05, 11:42

The Dark Piece Linith itself was driven by a desire strong enough to give it a full personality, let it defeat all of her own opponents, and fight Dark Piece Precia to a draw.

The Dark Piece of Yuuno was driven by his original desire to recover the Jewel Seeds, which was at least strong enough to give it a full personality and fight Shamal to exhaustion.

Do Dark Pieces disappear if they become exhausted, or only if they are sufficiently damaged?

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-05, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Do Dark Pieces disappear if they become exhausted, or only if they are sufficiently damaged?

It was stated that they dissapear if they desire become weak or is satissfied enough. That's how Linith managed to take Precia with her, by calming her toughts and helping her to find peace or at least calmness.

Key Board · 2012-01-05, 16:48

Dark piece Nanoha: does Nanoha have a dark piece?

Dark piece Fate: the desire to be acknowledged by Precia. Vanishes in regret.

Dark piece Yuuno: the desire to take responsibility over the Jewel Seed incident. He seems to fade away in content when he is defeated and told that a kind young girl will surely help him recover the Jewel Seeds

Dark piece Wolkenritter: mute with no personalities, based on an old incarnation of them. Desire to protect the tome owner?

Dark piece Vivio: The desire to see her mother. Is told that this is all a bad dream she will wake up from.

Dark piece Einhart: The desire to prove Kaiser arts to be the strongest. Vanishes in regret when defeated.

Dark piece Dearche: The desire to prove herself to be worthy king. Very upset when destroyed.

Dark piece Stern: She realizes what she is and laments that her wish didn't come true this time.

Dark piece Levi: The desire to see the outside world and play with someone. When defeated she says she had enough fun playing.

Dark piece Thoma: It seems to be more more out of regret than desire. When defeated, he laments not being a able to protect Lily and causing trouble for everyone.

Dark piece Precia: a single minded strong dark piece obsessed with reviving her daughter

Dark piece Linith: born out of the regret for not being there for Fate, Arf and Precia and do something

This kind of moment can be quite sad

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-05, 17:03

So, they're not defeated by fulfilling their wishes or convincing them to let go.

You just injure them until they die or exhaust them until they fade away.

Keroko · 2012-01-05, 17:43

They're basically just clumps of mana with a personality, right? Makes sense that they'd disappear if the mana that makes them runs out.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-05, 20:58

So Dark Piece Yuuno might have worse stamina than regular Yuuno.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-05, 21:41

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Dark piece Wolkenritter: mute with no personalities, based on an old incarnation of them. Desire to protect the tome owner?

Not exacvtly, they do expressed a bit of desire and personality on the first game...

DP Vita: Enraged an tired of her eternal cycle of suffering, also convinced that no one can save her.

DP Signum: Depressed by the fact she's stuck eternally in pointless battles never able to have a fair fight.

DP Zafira: Obsessed over following his role as a guardian(his old attitude of "i'll do what my master says no matter if it's right or worng").

DP Shamal: I don't remember much of this one but she seemed to be taciturn and serious in contrast with the charmly and clumsy lady we know and love.

Sunder the Gold · 2012-01-05, 22:29

Makes you happy all over again that they found Hayate.

bhl88 · 2012-01-05, 22:54

Wish there was a Dark Piece Amitie and Kyrie... wonder what it is XD

DP Kyrie: In despair because she couldn't fulfill her father's wish. Also wants a boyfriend. Disappears in regret (becomes happy when opponent's a guy. DP Kyrie: Let's have a date next time ♪ ^^ (disappears)).
DP Amitie: Regretful that she wasn't able to stop her pink haired sister. Disappears while screaming "Kiai failed... NOOO!"

I believe you guys forgot DP Reinforce and DP Hayate.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-05, 22:57

^ Problem is that only those whose cores or powers where absorbed/part of the Book of Darkness got fragments. That's the reason Chrono or the Lieze Twins never get one and according to the plot Precia and Linith were created from Fate's memories.

Don't change the fact the Vita VS. Arf fight was one of the funniest in this game, they mistaken each other for a Dark Piece, such a pair of hotheads xD!

2012-01-03, 21:08	Link #2521
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	she's probably good with space manipulation how else does she grab those linker cores from long range __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2012-01-05, 16:48	Link #2533
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	Dark piece Nanoha: does Nanoha have a dark piece? Dark piece Fate: the desire to be acknowledged by Precia. Vanishes in regret. Dark piece Yuuno: the desire to take responsibility over the Jewel Seed incident. He seems to fade away in content when he is defeated and told that a kind young girl will surely help him recover the Jewel Seeds Dark piece Wolkenritter: mute with no personalities, based on an old incarnation of them. Desire to protect the tome owner? Dark piece Vivio: The desire to see her mother. Is told that this is all a bad dream she will wake up from. Dark piece Einhart: The desire to prove Kaiser arts to be the strongest. Vanishes in regret when defeated. Dark piece Dearche: The desire to prove herself to be worthy king. Very upset when destroyed. Dark piece Stern: She realizes what she is and laments that her wish didn't come true this time. Dark piece Levi: The desire to see the outside world and play with someone. When defeated she says she had enough fun playing. Dark piece Thoma: It seems to be more more out of regret than desire. When defeated, he laments not being a able to protect Lily and causing trouble for everyone. Dark piece Precia: a single minded strong dark piece obsessed with reviving her daughter Dark piece Linith: born out of the regret for not being there for Fate, Arf and Precia and do something This kind of moment can be quite sad __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2012-01-05, 22:54	Link #2539
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Wish there was a Dark Piece Amitie and Kyrie... wonder what it is XD DP Kyrie: In despair because she couldn't fulfill her father's wish. Also wants a boyfriend. Disappears in regret (becomes happy when opponent's a guy. DP Kyrie: Let's have a date next time ♪ ^^ (disappears)). DP Amitie: Regretful that she wasn't able to stop her pink haired sister. Disappears while screaming "Kiai failed... NOOO!" I believe you guys forgot DP Reinforce and DP Hayate. __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-01-05, 22:57	Link #2540
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	^ Problem is that only those whose cores or powers where absorbed/part of the Book of Darkness got fragments. That's the reason Chrono or the Lieze Twins never get one and according to the plot Precia and Linith were created from Fate's memories. Don't change the fact the Vita VS. Arf fight was one of the funniest in this game, they mistaken each other for a Dark Piece, such a pair of hotheads xD! __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-01-04, 05:45	Link #2523
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	There's a reason the position for mages like Shamal, Yuuno, Caro and Lutecia is called Full Back, after all. They're support mages, their solo capabilities in a fight may be good, but in a team they should always take the ideal position behind the comrades they can boost or heal.

2012-01-04, 13:02	Link #2524
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Well, Yuuno never shows Increase power like Caro or as much healing proficiency as Shamal (fairly sure a healing field could heal multiple people, but it would be slower and more taxing than Calm Heal, unless Calm Heal IS a healing field)... Yuuno would support through binds, remotely defending his allies (as per Sphere Protection), teleporting comrades and enemies, and tossing in some bullets. The Full Back position can be covered in various ways, and those ways may mean that one can do more than just support. Unlike Caro, Yuuno can afford to jump into the thick of a fight to serve as an emergency Front Attacker or Wing Guard. Caro would have to send Fried to do that, leaving her unguarded; if she's still mounted on him, she's at risk. I'd compare him to Shamal, but there's really not enough evidence to suggest how the two compare in terms of solo combat strength. Gears of Destiny might provide an idea, unless game balance has left one of them inferior or superior to the other in a way that obviously shouldn't be taken seriously.

2012-01-05, 11:42	Link #2531
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	The Dark Piece Linith itself was driven by a desire strong enough to give it a full personality, let it defeat all of her own opponents, and fight Dark Piece Precia to a draw. The Dark Piece of Yuuno was driven by his original desire to recover the Jewel Seeds, which was at least strong enough to give it a full personality and fight Shamal to exhaustion. Do Dark Pieces disappear if they become exhausted, or only if they are sufficiently damaged?

2012-01-05, 17:03	Link #2534
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	So, they're not defeated by fulfilling their wishes or convincing them to let go. You just injure them until they die or exhaust them until they fade away.

2012-01-05, 17:43	Link #2535
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	They're basically just clumps of mana with a personality, right? Makes sense that they'd disappear if the mana that makes them runs out.

2012-01-05, 20:58	Link #2536
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	So Dark Piece Yuuno might have worse stamina than regular Yuuno.

2012-01-05, 22:29	Link #2538
Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Makes you happy all over again that they found Hayate.