2013-01-30, 10:54 | Link #2521 |
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The thing you don't realize is that Lu was ALWAYS like she is in Vivid. Even in Strikers. Watch the last few episodes again, and pay attention to what happens when Quattro screws with her. Her emotions were essentially suppressed. She was only in SSX for a bit, helping with research, and we had no visuals, bending our perception. In Vivid, it's not that she's changed; it's that she's finally been able to showcase her real personality.
One other thing... our first time seeing her in Vivid, she was by herself, living in her imagination. That also influenced our perceptions. When she's with others, she's a little more subdued. |
2013-01-30, 11:36 | Link #2522 |
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One thing is being emotionless, which I agree Lutecia never was, and another is being just less expressive. I still consider Lutecia did change and not for the best and such change is not just a direct opposite of her former self but a really stupid change all things consider.
Nanya says is normal for the franchise and while I don’t agree that all characters are like this she does have some points. We do see radical changes on the characters as she shows BUT such changes never happen on the story we are dealing with. And I mean the ones about the StrikerS cast. We can’t tell how they were in the past because we never knew them and we just see like seconds of such moments. While Lutecia could be the same, at least she was consistently showed as cold and really subtle on her emotions. Now take that and add what we see in the first time she shows herself on ViVid and most people won’t think is the same person. So the change can be justified by the story logic? Kind off, can be explain by poor writing? Yes, does that make it good? No. So here we have a case of opinions on the subject of Lutecia. But I still consider using poor characters to explain how more poor characters change is kind of a letdown. Is like saying, yes is bad, but everything else is as bad as this.
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2013-02-01, 04:14 | Link #2523 | ||
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And I don't miss carbon-copy-of-every-single-Ayanami-clone Lulu one bit, it's perfectly understandable now that she has her mother and a happy life. Though I would have loved to, y'know, see the actual character growth. Not just WHAM BAM! New Lulu! Which, by the way, we've seen as early as the StrikerS credits. Seriously, rewatch the last episode and look at that smile. Last edited by Keroko; 2013-02-01 at 04:43. |
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2013-02-01, 11:44 | Link #2524 |
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No, cocaine can cause that effect I am sure, I try once... I mean a friend of mine try that once. In any case, let’s move on.
I did watch the smile and I still think is not worth the over the top girl she is now. And yes, she was like Ayanami but to be fair at least she didn't jump in your face in every scene and acted more mature than now. Besides, character growth? I have wanted that since StrikerS for a lot of characters.
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2013-02-01, 14:37 | Link #2525 |
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If you want it, then quit complaining every time we get it.
Lutecia's smile in the credits was after only a year post-StrikerS. Developing into a more energetic personality is perfectly natural. I'm also having trouble seeing how Ayanamitecia was "more mature" than the current one, who actually has good leadership and judgement and watches over the younger girls, reigning in their exited tempers. |
2013-02-01, 15:44 | Link #2528 |
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Yes, that does seem to be a pattern with you, doesn't it?
Anyhoo, a darned shame they skipped over the witch girl. They're probably keeping her abilities a surprise for later chapters when she gets to fight against one of the four main girls, but it's going to take quite a bit of suspension of disbelief when the girls will inevitably be surprised at witch girl's magic, even though they should have seen what she can do from the battles they should have been watching off-screen. |
2013-02-01, 17:00 | Link #2529 |
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It is with ViVid.
But now you mention it I hope the Witch girl does something and doesn’t end up a huge disappointment like Einhart’s introduction was. And on that subject: 4 main girls? Which ones? We have like 15 already and she only target 3.
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2013-02-01, 17:27 | Link #2530 |
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Sure. With Vivid. Even though it does little different. Right. Whelp, best prepare yourself for disappointment then because I quite frankly have no idea how witch girl is ever going to appease your ever shifting standards.
The main group I mean is Vivio's band. Lead characters is probably a better term. |
2013-02-01, 18:43 | Link #2534 |
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I don't think that is possible with the magic in Nanoha but then again we don't know how she uses the magic. Besides is ViVid, who wants to be nothing important is going to happen with her?
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2013-02-01, 19:09 | Link #2535 |
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And that's where the tech part of Nanoha interferes with the fantasy magic part. This stuff's being recorded and aired all over the planet, and if casting an illusion over an entire stadium seems hard, imagine casting one over the entire planet.
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2013-02-01, 21:14 | Link #2537 | |
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I remember an episode in Gargoyles, where Demona cast a spell where everyone who saw and heard it on TV, were affected. So maybe something like that. Edit: Alternatively... she casts a curse of forgetfulness on whoever she fights, erasing from their mind any knowledge of her magic and techniques! |
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2013-02-03, 09:09 | Link #2539 |
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Heh, just had a look over the raw, and I really love that dinner scene. Everyone's looking at the table with various eyes of "holy crap is this real?" while Victoria's just going "Oh, that looks nice."
Additionally, fun tidbit I came across while fact checking: Both Victor and Sieg use unique magic systems as well. Dahlgren and Eremian Crutz respectively. We've mostly assumed these to be Belkan combat styles, but they are specifically noted under the magic label. Additionally, we have never seen the magic circles of these two. In fact, we aren't even sure if these two even use magic circles to begin with. So we have seen two entirely new styles of magic already. Devil's just in the details. |
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