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2010-04-29, 02:01 | Link #2563 |
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I can see the variables... I also mean no hold bars, the only true 'fight to the death' fight there is.
Noble phantasm, master support, so on and what else a amster and servant does. From the sounds of it, I was right. Fate lancer would win because of his noble phantasm, but because Zero lancer has horrible luck he would need a miracle to dodge it. If Zero lancer used his noble phantasm, then Bazette would use Fragarach, so Zero lancer pretty much loses this one. Thanks... though the answer was relatively obvious. |
2010-04-29, 06:49 | Link #2564 |
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I was under the impression that Fragarach required some kind of "Finishing Move" to be activated. Zero Lancer's NP's seem more to be passive in effect and don't have the same kind of one-use-powerful attack effect as Gae Bolg for example and so probably wouldn't trigger Fragarach.
So I'd reckon that Fragarach would be useless in a fight against Zero Lancer. In terms of Master support, Bazett against Kayneth is hard to say. Since Bazett is a specialised mage hunter she may eventually find a way past Volumen Hydragyrum's "Ultimate Defence". In short, we probably don't have enough data to suport a judgment on this. |
2010-04-29, 12:13 | Link #2565 |
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Fragarach only activates against the 'trump card'. So it can be hard to say. For example, Fragarch is useless against Fate Caster because none of her spells technically count as a 'trump card'. Also, it likely wouldn't activate against Gil's GoB because Ea is Gil's trump card.
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2010-04-29, 13:41 | Link #2566 |
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Fragarach requires the servant to use their 'trump card'. In the case of a servant with an NP, that means to use their most powerful NP. But, with a servant like Zero Lancer, whose NP is always active, it's not clear what it would mean. Apparently, though, using it on Berserker works (because God Hand counts as his 'trump card', and is always active), although it only kills him once. So, it might be that it will work on Zero Lancer if he uses the effects of his spears.
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2010-04-29, 16:51 | Link #2568 | |
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Also, when Shirou traces and copies Archer's copied NPs, would those NPs be decreased a further rank or would they be the same rank as Archer's? |
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2010-05-04, 09:11 | Link #2571 |
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I don't think Assassin's weapon counts since it isn't a Noble Phantasm and Zero Lancer snapped his lance with his brute strength.
But regardless, I forgot about Shirou destroying Gilgamesh's weapons so thanks for answering. Just a question, how interconnected are the different concepts in each of the Nasuverse works? |
2010-05-04, 10:50 | Link #2572 |
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Just finished the series and I'm left in confusion
I watched Umineko/Higrashi so I guess its something similar, that a novel adaption has to leave soo much stuff out. What was that stuff about caster/the teacher? What is the connection between sakura and rin? What was that whole ritual thing about? I also didnt really get the king arthur part, what happened in sabers past? When she returned in the end, was it about that she accepted what happened and that she probably would die there? And that that wouldnt mean that she failed? And she requested the sword to be sunk as a sign that it was over for her? And what was the "villains" aim/story etc? I understood nothing but blabla? Why was gil cursed when Saber destroyed the grail the last time? Did the villain (forgot his name) make gil drink from the grail so he would stay? And most important, why did saber go back? Didnt she decide in the episode where lancer died that she would acept her past and move on? I also read something about a story where they meet saber again since shes sleeping somewhere? Also if I want to read more, what should I get? Books, Visual Novels? How much more stuff is there? is there a Manga? And how are the novels? I tried the Higurashi novel but, although its good, its just too long for me and got boring. Are the FSN novels shorter? Thanks =D
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It is pretty long, though, although IMO it's definitely worth it, because there's simply no adaptation of it that comes even close to doing justice to the original VN (the anime is a poor-quality adaptation of what is usually seen as the worst route). There is also a prequel story, called Fate/Zero (the first three (out of four) chapters of which are translated and available online) and a (sort-of) sequel visual novel called Fate/Hollow Ataraxia (which isn't fully translated yet), but I wouldn't recommend reading either of them (especially Hollow Ataraxia) without playing the VN first, because they won't make sense. |
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I just have a question I have played all of the F/SN VN two times and I still cant get what the difference between Mana and Prana is. I hope someone could fill me in.
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2010-05-04, 16:23 | Link #2576 |
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Wow and one was supposed to get all this from the anime?
Guess I'll really have to get the novel, the higurashi novel was probably exceptional boring because I knew what was going on, maybe its better here. I just wish I could just get it as a book, listening to the same songs for hours with the same 3 pictures moving in the bg while staring at the screen is exhausting Though I read something about some animated vn being released?
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Not really. The anime only hinted at the relationship between Rin and Sakura, without having played the game it is easy to miss it. Similarly, a lot of the other stuff I pointed out is only really explained in detail in the other routes of the game (everything relating to Sakura is covered in HF, the stuff about Caster is in UBW), or is stuff I know from the legend of King Arthur (if I didn't know how King Arthur died in the myths, and that he had to return the sword to the lake, I wouldn't have understood the ending of Fate either, probably).
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