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2006-02-08, 22:45 | Link #242 | |
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Second it was obvious that Smoker did not use his club because the battle was simply between smoke and fire as everyone saw the huge explosions in the sky increasing as the battle went on. Smoker did not use his seastone club at all because the distance between Ace and Smoker was to far apart. Smoker wanted to really find out was a battle between smoke and fire useless but Ace knew this and that is why he was able to escape. Yeah he better escape before Smoker busts out that Seastone. So the battle was very obvious as nothing serious hapened just a battle between smoke and fire and the audience just found out that the result is useless. I also noticed that you like to overanalyze and when you want too underanalyze something so simple. You like to complicate things that are simple. The battle was just smoke and fire because Smoker was to far to be using his seastone on his back. Last edited by Phenomenal; 2006-02-08 at 23:03. |
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2006-02-09, 09:52 | Link #244 |
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Well i am willing to believe that he didn't use it, but the major question on my mind is why wouldn't he...
It can't be that he just wanted a fire vs smoke battle, that would be oout of character for him... he's the kind of fighter who takes every battle seriously and doesn't hold back, and he prides himself on capturing pirates... the moment he knew that the smoke vs fire fight was gonna be too even he would have used his staff... If he had the cahnce to take the upper hand then he would have taken it... The only reason i could see that he didn't use it is because he couldn't get close enough... So it's like he wanted to use it, but he was waiting to bring Ace's actual body into close combat... Ace's powers do make him very capable of keep a fight to a distance... If the second is the case, then it means that it would mean that he did want to use the staff, but never got the chance, meaning the use of the staff in a fight against Ace is pretty useless...I mean it would help if Ace got too careless, but the Staff is only good if he can get close enough to Ace's real body to use it Last edited by Slayerx; 2006-02-09 at 10:16. |
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Now neodrag, I think you might've misinterpreted Phenomenol's post. He's not saying you win. He's saying let's end the discussion because there's no way anyone here can know the result of an Eneru vs. Mihawk fight. This is because the only things we know about Mihawk is that he's a schichibukai and the best swordsman in the world. Not much to go by, but I wouldn't say these facts speak in favor of Eneru. Eneru's power is unimaginable, however, he has been beaten once, that means he can be beaten. Mihawk on the other hand, hasn't been beaten, we haven't seen any weak points, why then do you people claim him to be destined to lose? For all we know he might be the devil himself.
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But I guess you haven't been reading my post much at all have you since you keep seeming to forget that I made clear that I don't expect it to be 100% in guarantee that Mihawk would lose to Enel. |
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2006-02-09, 13:26 | Link #247 |
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Nh1 thankyou, you make good points and you have an open mind but I believe Neodrag understood what I was saying.
Neodrag of course Ener is going to be "alive and kicking" after Luffy's Golden pistol attack because no one dies in the world of One Piece. Slayerx, you are right he did not use it. It was clearly only a battle of fire and smoke. Smoker said "a battle between fire and smoke is useless, but I guess you knew that Portagas D. Ace." Ace knew this and took advantage of this so he could get away before Smoker broke out his seastone club. If Smoker wanted to have a close range fight with his Seastone it would have been no problem because he would not have been effected by Ace's Fire. Smoker could have made it a hand to hand combat fight but wanted to see a battle between their Logia powers. MihawkXGP, what's up? |
2006-02-09, 13:53 | Link #248 | |
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The way i see it, Smoker did want to turn it into a close range fight, but was unable to... he wanted to use his staff against Ace, but Ace would not give him the chance... Thanks to the nature of their powers its easy for Ace to keep his distance in a fight, cause mass confusion, and then escape amist the choas... Smoker probably had a hell of a time finding Ace's real body in the middle of all that fire and smoke |
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2006-02-09, 14:21 | Link #249 | |
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If Smoker used the stick you would not have seen the collison between fire and smoke ingnite as it did. Quit jumping to conclusions Slayerx. |
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2006-02-13, 14:06 | Link #250 | |
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This I have to agree with. Remember Douriki only measures the Athletics. Just because Lucci has a Doukiri of 4000 does not mean Luffy has to match that to defeat him. How many times have we seen Luffy defeat opponents far Stronger than him (Crocodile, Ener). I beleive now that Luffy is familair with the Cp9's Techniques he can adjust to their style as we seen the fight with Blueno. The same for a Sanji and Zoro. Just because they are fighting someone with a Douriki of 2,000 or more does not mean overall that they are stronger fighters. Zoro matched Luffy at Whiskey peak when he had no bounty and Luffy had a bounty of 30,000,000. So just because Sanji and Zoro are fighting opponents with about the same Douriki power does not mean that Zoro and Sanji are rivals in fighting. Overall athletics, experience, skills, intelligence and most important Endurance comes into play in a fight. Until we see Luffy and Zoro fight again to proove who is stronger no one should assume Luffy is automatically stronger just because he fights someone with a douriki of 4000. |
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2006-02-14, 09:07 | Link #252 | |
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It does remain that overall Lucchi is the stronger member of CP9 which carries alot more significance than beating any of the other CP9 members. Lucchi's level of douriki was said to be unheard of and was measured while he was in his human form. |
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2006-02-14, 13:28 | Link #253 | |
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I will say it again about the Ener situation he got his ass kicked by Luffy, Ener simply relied to much on his Devil Fruit ability. Bounty: Measures overall strength/Threat level to the government Douriki: Measures Physical Strength/Athletics I am not talking about Devil fruit I am talking about Overall Athletics. Just because You have a higher Douriki than someone does not mean that you are a better fighter. Remember Douriki only measures the Athletics/Physical strength, in combat that is thrown out of the window it is the persons overall ability like skills, technique, experience, and endurance that can help win a fight. Hell look at the fight with Blueno and Luffy your telling me that all of a sudden Luffy just got stronger than Blueno after Blueno had already kicked his ass. No that is Luffy's experience and observation skills that came into play learning how to use Soru and mastering it in an insatnt giving him the ability he needs to compete. Last edited by Phenomenal; 2006-02-14 at 13:39. |
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And Luffy defeating Blueno is pretty much a show of Luffy surpassing him. And the last time I checked Blueno dodging Luffy's attacks the first time they met for the short amount of time does not equate to getting his butt kicked. You seem to forget that Blueno never even laid a finger on Luffy, along with Luffy being attacked by other CP9 members at the time. So there's a considerable difference of the scenario of the past meeting and the more current one. Last edited by neodrag38; 2006-02-14 at 15:37. |
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2006-02-14, 19:05 | Link #256 | |
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Mantra? Mantra failed him Luffy found a way to counter even that. I am sorry Luffy was simply a better fighter and Ener relied too much on his Devil fruit. No a swordsman is well trained to defend, and fight because as a swordsman your body is well trained, experience, intelligence to figure their way out of situations. Not simply just shooting everyone with lighting like Ener. Swordsman do not rely simply on their swords but their Physical abilities asw well. No Physical strength is just your athletics speed, strength, agility. that is what Douriki measure not fighting skills technique, and experience their is a difference. Even though he has this much power does not mean he is a better fighter than Jabura and also does not mean he will automatically win. Blueno never even tried to hit Luffy the first time, Blueno was demonstrating his abilitiies to Luffy. Luffy could not even get Blueno out of the way. Blueno could have kicked Luffy's ass if he wanted just like all the other members were doing. |
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2006-02-14, 19:09 | Link #257 |
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Just your opinion; not what actually occured. You said that Blueno actually kicked his butt when the fact remains that it didn't occur. You made a statement as if it were a fact; not voicing a what if originally. Could of doesn't mean the same thing as did.
It remains that the situation where Blueno first interacted with Luffy is different from their more recent meeting. Luffy may not seem to know much in terms of book smarts but he at least has the common sense to keep in mind what CP9 can do much less that now he doesn't have to deal with wrestling with just recently losing a crew member and having another one trying to leave without any explanation at all. |
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2006-02-14, 19:22 | Link #259 | |
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Usually I would happily go along with you on the route of somewhat changing the subject but now I think you simply need to own up to what you did rather than keep pretending that you didn't just do a corny "switcheroo." |
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2006-02-14, 19:25 | Link #260 | |
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So please Neodrag quit running away. |
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