2012-05-06, 22:33 | Link #241 |
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I think the point here is that Urobochi is basically saying "anything is possible". This not only gives him a valid setting to build any story he could dream up, it also offers fans as much optimism or negativity as they want. He may stick to one particular route as the story he wants to tell, but because it is a universe of infinite possibilities you could theoretically make any story you wanted to.
So some stories might be "Gretchen killed the universe, the end" or some stories might be "Homura nuked Kyubey's home planet, the end" or "Sayaka and Kyouko have hot lesbian sex, woot". And none of them would really be wrong. He gets the creative freedom to tell the story he wants, and opens up the floor to people who want to write their own Madoka universe stories (like Shinbo's FMP/slice of life idea). It's an exciting thought, in my opinion, because it offers the potential for the franchise to stay fresh since it won't be trapped in a strict narrative.
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2012-05-06, 23:26 | Link #242 | |
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But yeah, this setting gives him quite a bit of creative freedom to play around with different possible plot developments, as shown in the game.
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btw, i just found a wonderful tsundere moment between homura and kyoko in the game: Quote:
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2012-05-08, 08:50 | Link #247 | |
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Nothing that happens in this bonus route sounds downright unimaginable to me (like, say, Homura and Madoka becoming archenemies with each other), so if people want to think of the bonus route as a legit possible ending, then I don't see why anybody (including even Gen) should rain on that parade. We can think of certain routes as less likely than others, and that's perfectly fine, but to argue that one of them is completely impossible seems silly to me. Why bother to have such a route exist in the first place if it's not even remotely possible?
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2012-05-08, 09:34 | Link #248 | ||
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Gen himself said that bonus route is canonly impossible do you really think that these silly things can happen in madoka? Quote:
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2012-05-08, 09:47 | Link #249 | |
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As to why bother including that route in the first place... I can only guess but I suppose it's some sort of omake. Having Sayaka getting Kamijo in that route (where it doesn't count) is a pretty mean-spirited "joke", but you know that Gen likes to torture Sayaka for some reason. Again, what can we do about that?
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2012-05-08, 13:41 | Link #251 |
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Spoiler for Sayaka doesn't become a magical girl:
And while she doesn't end up with Kamijou in her, Homura's, and Kyoko's routes, we don't know about Mami's route or the aftermath of Madoka's.
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2012-05-08, 16:16 | Link #252 | |
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2012-05-17, 03:50 | Link #255 | |
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I love the stuff he creates and I know he's trying to promote "realism" in his works, but as a Sayaka fan it still really tears me up inside. Like in the joke endings of the game it's like him saying "we'll give you Sayaka fans her moment of happiness right up the ass, but oh wait, we'll put in a pointless joke ending scenario hahaha!!!". It totally feels that way...at least to me. Just throwing stuff out there, just saying.
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2012-05-18, 21:39 | Link #257 | |
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Critics who say, "normal people aren't like that." miss the point. He's not writing about normal people. Normal people can back away from one path to add things from other paths and, as a result, achieve a balance in life where they are content if not extremely happy. |
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2012-05-19, 04:20 | Link #258 | |
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I understand that the characters Urobochi-sensei is trying to convey when it comes to their goals and logic towards life and people in general, but keep in mind I'm speaking in a concept I've perceived in a way that suit how I'm feeling ie. anger, sadness, while at the same time fascinated. Whether you understand or not it's up to you. I'm extremely loyal/in love with this series and it's just my opinion and everything, that's all.
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2012-05-26, 18:25 | Link #260 | |
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However, I don't think that it applies much to Sayaka. Sayaka didn't strike me as an unbalanced character, or truly fanatical. She certainly didn't strike as an abnormal person (actually, I feel that Sayaka is probably the most normal person in the entire main cast, with the possible exception of Mami). In all seriousness, I think there's probably two reasons why Gen is leery of giving Sayaka an entirely happy end. 1) I think that Sayaka's descent was Gen's key illustration or "character study" or "object lesson" as to why the Puella Magi system of Madoka Magica is so vile. Basically, what happens to Sayaka more clearly justifies the wish that Madoka ends up making. Sayaka's sad ending feeds nicely into Madoka making the wish she did to ensure that nobody else would have to end up like her friend Sayaka did. 2) Gen, as we all know, is a "darker themed" writer. Basically, he takes a more skeptical view to happiness and happy endings than probably most of us do. My sense is that the overall Madoka Magica ending was probably pushing it for Gen even as it was (i.e. I recall Gen comparing what he wrote to the ending of one of the PreCure endings, and Gen saying "Is my heart really that dirty?"; I think what Gen meant by that is actually "Is my heart so dirty that I now long for happy endings myself?"). Gen probably felt that to be true to his own view of the world, and to be true to his own creative vision, he had to have at least some stark sadness in the Madoka Magica ending. Some major character had to come out of it drenched in melancholy. That character ended up being Sayaka... Gen perhaps feels that if he lets Sayaka have a total happy end in an official Madoka Magica-related property, that he might be "selling out" his creative vision entirely, just to make some fans happy. I can respect that, even if I don't necessarily like it.
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